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CINCINNATI REDS

McCoy's thumbs up and thumbs down on Reds

By Hal McCoy

Staff Writer

Sunday, October 05, 2008

Sometimes it seemed as if the 2008 Cincinnati Reds were all thumbs. So isn't it apropos that we do "thumbs up" and "thumbs down" about the season?

Thumbs up

Rookie Joey Votto suffered the loss of his father at midseason and took a week off, then came back better than ever, playing well enough to win Rookie of the Year, hitting .297 with 24 homers and 84 RBIs over 151 games.

Thumbs down

While pitcher Aaron Harang suffered many misfortunes and was victimized by low run support, his 6-17 record was so ugly because he gave up 35 home runs, second most in the National League. And he suggested that the walls in Great American Ball Park should be raised and moved back.

Thumbs up

Many fans howled when the Reds traded outfielder Josh Hamilton to Texas for an unproven prospect named Edinson Volquez, who promptly proved to be the team's best pitcher — 17-6 (exact opposite of Harang's record) with a 3.21 earned-run average.

Thumbs down

They gave him $3.5 million halfway through spring training, when no other team was pursuing him, and outfielder Corey Patterson responded by hitting .205 and running the bases like a T-baller — run until you are out.

Thumbs up

Fans couldn't understand why Jay Bruce was not brought north out of spring training, but when he came up on May 27 he proved he belonged, hitting 21 homers. Over a full season his numbers project to 30 homers, 75 RBIs and 91 runs scored.

Thumbs down

Edwin Encarnacion established a career high with 26 homers, but he hit only .251 and drove in only 68 runs while making 23 errors and going into several long batting funks.

Offer your own "Thumbs up, Thumbs down" comments

Comments

By Dave

October 26, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this

Thumbs down: Dusty goes. tryed to like him, but he’s terrible. Stay with the same GM for more than 2 yrs. for GODS sake. Purge all veterans over 33 yrs. old and get rid of all our guys at ss. trade Encarnacion, I’ve seen enough of his attitude. Same with Home Run Bailey. Patterson goes. He can catch a ball but that’s all the skill he has left. Freel is better, but not a starter.Thumbs Up: Keep young nucleous coming. It’s our future. Up:

By boxter

October 19, 2008 7:27 AM | Link to this

Thumbs down on Red’s ticket prices. Average people can not afford $40.00 per seat for a good seat to watch just above AA talent team. I can not wait to see next year’s crowds with this area’s failing economy. You gotta love those 12,500 Monday - Thursday crowds.

By Juan

October 17, 2008 11:19 PM | Link to this

Thumbs Down to the GM who sign Corey “I only want to hit homeruns so I don’t have to run the bases” Patterson and traded Dunn and Griffey and got noothing for them that we can count on.

By Juan

October 17, 2008 11:18 PM | Link to this

Thumbs Down to the GM who sign Corey “I only want to hit homeruns so I don’t have to run the bases” Patterson and traded Dunn and Griffey and got noothing for them that we can count on.

By Kevin

October 15, 2008 8:02 AM | Link to this

Who was the idiot that said CP has base running skills?! Good GOD I`ve seen T-ballers with better skills than that!!! From this day forwrd…The name Cory Patterson should never be mentioned again!!

By Mark

October 14, 2008 10:55 PM | Link to this

Lets just hope that Castallini and Jocketty hear what everyone is saying. I SAY BRING UP RICK SWEET!!!!! He knows how to win and knows most of the Reds young players!!

THUMBS DOWN: Take a guess? Same as everyone else, Baker, Bako and Sorrey Outterson must go.

Thumbs up: Joey Votto, Volquez, Cueto and Bruce! I hope to see Freel and Hopper to be in CF to start the season. Hopefully Jocketty will take more control over Baker! Remember who he had in STL? LaRussa is a much better by a long shot!!

By BOB DUERSTOCK

October 14, 2008 4:33 PM | Link to this

Thumbs up Griffey and Dunn gone!!Thumbs down no offense!!

By John

October 10, 2008 1:50 AM | Link to this

If Dusty is going to take the rap for having not forfeited the game in SF by pitching Patterson instead of Harang then he should get equal credit for the bullpen going from the worst to one of the best in the league. Did anyone mention how WRONG all the Chicago faithful were about how Dusty handles young pitchers ? Start after start he resisted the temptation to let Volquez and Cueto throw over 110 pitches. He managed to get 17 wins out of a young gun who struggled to pitch past the sixth inning

By johnny

October 9, 2008 11:05 PM | Link to this

i remember PETE ROSE…..and Ryan Freel is cut out the same way. For the Reds to win they should let Dusty go and let Freel manage until Rose gets reinstated.They let Drug users back repeatedly and yet do not let Rose back in.A joke

By Marcus

October 8, 2008 8:42 AM | Link to this

Thumbs down to Baker. I give him one more year if we have a successful free agency. He wore down pitchers and mismanaged the lineup in Chicago too. Thumbs up to the young guys Votto, Bruce and Volquez. There needs to be some serious urgency to add another starter and the right handed power bat we desperately need, get it done Jocketty, we know you can do it.

By Cactus Pete, Apache Jct, AZ

October 8, 2008 2:18 AM | Link to this

“Thumbs Down” Worse than all of what you just wrote, there are the fans. There is Freel’s number one fan on the fan forum, DennyRed, that wouldn’t have anyone to bash if Freel were to leave. DR is a real Athletic Supporter in more ways than one not to mention a former D’ Lo lover when he was sober, (both of them).

By Billy P. (Jacksonville, FL)

October 8, 2008 2:07 AM | Link to this

Just as important, it would be a mistake to dump Freel. He adds to much to the game. if he didn’t play the way he does he wouldn’t have the job he has at five different positions and two more can actually be added if needed, (catcher and SS). Besides, this will be his last year.

By Billy P. (Jacksonville, FL)

October 8, 2008 2:00 AM | Link to this

“Thumbs Down” for that stupid, low handed and back stabbing power play Baker and Patterson pulled in spring training on Freel, Bruce and I’m not to sure Hopper wasn’t someway park of it to as much as he was put on the back burner with Freel and Bruce. Baker is supposed to be “a player’s friend”? He is a right out lier. The moral of this team was way down and it showed all season. Peter Mac or Jerry Narrow would have been a whole lot better. If a coach hasn’t the respect of his players then…???

By Peg

October 7, 2008 12:45 PM | Link to this

I was appalled when theh Reds hired Baker & my feeling didn’t change as the season unfolded! Coery was another mistake. I also am not impressed by Cordero—not worth the money; too many of his appearances were adventures & he cost us more than one game. The young guns (Bruce & Votto, & Volquez & Cueto) give hope for the future. Too many of the utility types on the roster. We need to get rid of Freel (he can’t stay healthy); Fogg & Majewski also. Need a RH power bat from somewhere.

By Matthew Reif

October 7, 2008 12:00 PM | Link to this

I’m not a fan of Corey Patterson either, but what other options did Baker have in the outfield the last couple of months? Unfortunately, Hopper, Freel and Hairston were all dealing with injuries. Obviosuly, Griffey and Dunn were shipped out of town. Chris Dickerson really showed us something when he was given the chance, but he too suffered a season ending injury. I don’t think we can blame Baker too much for all of the Patterson playtime despite his miserable numbers. But if we resign him….

By toughenough36

October 7, 2008 9:24 AM | Link to this

Thumbs up to Votto, Bruce, Cueto, Arroyo and Volquez and Thumbs down to Homer Bailey

By derf0401

October 6, 2008 4:44 PM | Link to this

thumbs up for getting younger with bruce and votto but thumbs down onthe team sprit and playing as ateam look at the rays they are where they are because they play as a team.

By CDouble13

October 6, 2008 1:42 PM | Link to this

Harrang and Volquez both begged into that San Diego game…If they had won, we would have been praising Dusty for having guts…it failed and we crucify him…Keeping Hairston healthy would have been real interesting…I do believe the Reds record was a winning one with him in the line up…

By CDouble13

October 6, 2008 1:37 PM | Link to this

In all fairness, Dusty Baker did do a good job with this team.Without clear leadership above him(remember Krivsky, Jocketty, and Baker went down to the wire on an opening day roster that resulted in a questionable roster to start the season). Before anyone bashes Corey Patterson too bad, tell me who played a better defensive Centerfield for this team this season. His defense saved more than a few of the 70 wins…Give Baker credit for trying to win the infamous 18 inning game…

By Matt Miller

October 6, 2008 12:00 PM | Link to this

It was scary to hear in September that the Reds were “considering” resigning Corey Patterson for next year. The argument being his defense and base-running were in short supply. What a waste that would be. You already have a now healthy Ryan Freel signed at $4 million next year and with the same skill set. He likely hits a 100 points higher to boot.

By Cait

October 6, 2008 10:13 AM | Link to this

Thumbs up: Votto, Bruce, and yes - Hanigan - the best catcher on the roster, though probably not the long term answer. Thumbs up to the young pitchers, led by Volquez & Cueto. Thumbs down: Everything Hal said, and trading away our only true power threat. Here’s hoping we come up with a viable right handed power hitter to replace Dunn’s HRs. All in all, the future is brighter than it’s been in a while.

By Mike

October 6, 2008 12:33 AM | Link to this

Thumbs Up: Getting rid of Krivdawg he did make some good moves over his years, a few not so good, I mean, he did hire Baker and sign Patterson and Bako

Thumbs Down: The idiotic way Baker handled our bullpen back in that 18 inning game with the Padres, thus tearing down your pitching ace Harang

Here’s hoping Walt Jockety can turn it around like he did in his Cardinal days.

By Jim

October 5, 2008 9:50 PM | Link to this

baker,patterson,bako,must go if the reds are to win;

By Jim

October 5, 2008 9:50 PM | Link to this

baker,patterson,bako,must go if the reds are to win;

By Jim

October 5, 2008 9:50 PM | Link to this

baker,patterson,bako,must go if the reds are to win;

By rob johnson

October 5, 2008 5:58 PM | Link to this

I don’t think Corey P’s Flunky Dusty ” captain wristbands” baker is the right manager with all this young talent . Getting rid of captain wristband’s and his boss Corey P would help this team immensley

By Purdue64

October 5, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this

For the most part I like what the Reds have going into ‘09. Let most of the free agents go and, most importantly, run Dusty Baker and his sidekick Corey Paterson out of town. Every knowledgeable baseball fan I’ve talked to couldn’t believe the Reds hired Baker and, based on the mismanagement I’ve seen from him this season, I can see why. Baker must go, or ‘09 will be a repeat of ‘08 and Reds fans deserve better.

By rob in stl

October 5, 2008 2:56 PM | Link to this

Running the bases like a t-baller…..lol….very true though

By ShockMonkey

October 5, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this

Thumbs DOWN: Dusty batting CP leadoff for two months. Slotting Griffey 3rd when the numbers screamed he should be 6th or 7th. Making Bako our starting catcher when 10 other teams reconized him for what he is: a backup! A career high for games played with 98! Enamored with lefty-righty order nonsense. Hitting Phillips clean-up for cryin-out-loud. We should fire him now.

Thumbs UP: Volquez-Cueto have the making of a solid one-two starting staff. Votto & Bruce.

By dabosch

October 5, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this

“Thumbs down” for the Corey Patterson acquisition for sure. But that’s not a strong enough assessment for 1. Continuing to keep him on the roster, and 2. Continuing to put his name in the lineup. Dusty should get “The Finger” for that.

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