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Voters back ban on discrimination based on sexual orientation
By a large margin, Ohio voters backed a proposed state law banning discrimination based on sexual orientation.
In the Quinnipiac University Poll released on Friday, July 3, voters supported the ban 57-35 percent.
They opposed same-sex marriage 60-33 percent but were in a virtual tie on same-sex civil unions, 46 percent for and 47 percent against.
The poll was taken from July 26 through Wednesday, July 1, with 1,259 voters and has a margin of error of plus or minus 2.8 percentage points.
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By Stephen
July 10, 2009 2:29 PM | Link to this
Yes mark you are exactly right. civil rights should be up for a popular vote? you need to move to Iran or somewhere that approves of oppression of minoritiesBy mark
July 9, 2009 10:24 PM | Link to this
I would not get to exicted, this bill if passed will be repealed by the majority voters when petitions take this to the voters where it belongs!!!!By bob
July 8, 2009 11:23 PM | Link to this
YAWN…this poll proves exactly what ALL polls prove…that is, exactly what they set out to prove…nothing new or anything to get excited about…By mark
July 8, 2009 9:49 PM | Link to this
Can’t wait till evrybody gets it straght (pun intended). Now that is truly beautiful and majority!By Stephen
July 8, 2009 8:19 PM | Link to this
man there are some scary haters up in here! this is a great poll. It proves Ohio is a great state where most people are against discrimination. Viva la gay! Gay, straight, black, white, latino…we are all beautifulBy bob
July 8, 2009 5:47 PM | Link to this
I had a friend once who claimed he was “gay”, whatever that is suppsesd to mean. Anyway, he had a thing for guys. No dummy either. He was a Medical Doctor. Well he took a vacation to Guatemala where he was caught molesting a six year old little boy. While that may be the custom back home, the locals took offense at it (the bigots!) and unceremoniously ripped off both his arms at the shoulders. After a lengthy period of rehabilitation, he did, in fact, return to the medical profession here in the states, fortunately. Last I heard he was able to work without arms, hands, or fingers, in fact. He is a very successful proctologist with a practice in the swish alps section of the Bay area, where I understand he has a real appetite for his work. He also does prostate exams with another appendage, but that’s another story. He just keeps smiling. Perhaps that’s why they call him “gay”.By Jay
July 8, 2009 2:54 PM | Link to this
I think U.P.S. Said it best. What Can Brown Do For YouBy Bob540
July 8, 2009 1:06 PM | Link to this
I don’t appreciate name-calling either. I think you can disagree with someone and still show courtesy and respect. As I noted, I have gay family and friends, and I don’t like seeing them get disrespected.By Chris Baker
July 8, 2009 12:03 AM | Link to this
Christian homosexuals usually use the same vows you’re probably aware of…Wiccan homosexuals are handfasted “so long as their love shall last”…Buddhist homosexuals have a Buddhist ritual…etc. Asking for gay marriage vows is like asking for straight marriage vows…you have to specify.By bob
July 7, 2009 11:26 PM | Link to this
Great. Now about those marriage vows…???By Chris Baker
July 7, 2009 11:19 PM | Link to this
That’s right, bob, but I was fantasizing about you, love. See…that’s why I love these little chats. You always have to most witty and apt responses.By bob
July 7, 2009 11:13 PM | Link to this
You were having sex with your mom? and she understood? Now I’m beginning to see your attraction to men.By Chris Baker
July 7, 2009 10:55 PM | Link to this
People get wrapped up in what has been hammered into their heads from all angles their whole lives. The pressure to marry the opposite sex can be very strong in some families. You only have to have sex once to get pregnant…I was lucky…my Mom understood.By bob
July 7, 2009 10:47 PM | Link to this
So why didn’t he just remain a bachelor? Or childless?By Chris Baker
July 7, 2009 10:39 PM | Link to this
My day job pay $50K a year. He gets married because his family may be filled with idiots like you, who would make his life a living hell if he came out, who’s so-called “love” for him extends only as far as their unimaginable small-minededness limits him to a ridiculous and unachieveable homogeny. A family who’s concept of human nature is hopelessly medieval.By bob
July 7, 2009 10:23 PM | Link to this
Chris…I asked for a reasonable explanation. Not a fairy tale (pun intended). So you’re telling me this guy is such a skillful liar he is fooling even himself? He gets married to a woman why? He is fantasizing about another guy so he can impregnate his wife he doesn’t need, want, or love so he can have a child he has absolutely no use for so he can break up with his wife and pay alimony and child support to for years. Then he can leave his family he got under false pretenses to go live with his partner who is absolutely sure that he is telling HIM the truth this time about being a homosexual and is absolutely certain that he is fantasizing about only HIM while they are in the sack together that he wants to swish down the aisle together and share his assets with this known liar and cheater? Sorry, you are going to have to do beter than that. BTW, is your day job a comic book writer?By Chris Baker
July 7, 2009 10:19 PM | Link to this
We sit through page after page of “homo” “perv” and the F word, and then you complain that we call the ones saying it “haters”. Why is that? And it went down like this…”We want marriage”…”You can’t have marriage…and we’re not going to treat you like human beings either…and then we’re going to complain that you don’t like it.”By bob
July 7, 2009 10:19 PM | Link to this
Chris…I asked for a reasonable explanation. Not a fairy tale (pun intended). So you’re telling me this guy is such a skillful liar he is fooling even himself? He gets married to a woman why? He is fantasizing about another guy so he can impregnate his wife he doesn’t need, want, or love so he can have a child he has absolutely no use for so he can break up with his wife and pay alimony and child support to for years. Then he can leave his family he got under false pretenses to go live with his partner who is absolutely sure that he is telling HIM the truth this time about being a homosexual and is absolutely certain that he is fantasizing about only HIM while they are in the sack together that he wants to swish down the aisle together and share his assets with this known liar and cheater? Sorry, you are going to have to do beter than that. BTW, is your day job a comic book writer?By Bob540
July 7, 2009 10:11 PM | Link to this
Blame gay leadership. Back when Ohio voters rejected gay marriage, a majority polled said they would support increased legal rights/civil unions for gays. But gay leadership would have none of that — it was either marriage or calling people “haters”. Compromise was possible; gay leaders slapped away the hand offered.By NOTurban legend
July 7, 2009 9:59 PM | Link to this
Its not that hard to get aroused if you want to. She knew what buttons to push & since I was raised that it can only be a man & a woman I lied to myself about the thoughts I have had since 2nd grade! Once I admitted it to myself & then others I have never been happier!By Chris Baker
July 7, 2009 9:55 PM | Link to this
And for that one I’ll be reporting you. Slime.By bob
July 7, 2009 9:49 PM | Link to this
I have a small request. Could one of you faggots online please post a copy of the homosexual marriage vows? You see, what I am concerned about is the line we heteros use that goes something like this “…keeping yourself only unto him/her as long as you both shall live…”. Now do you keep that part? If so, how can you, since you were born without a CHOICE as to when, where, how or with whom you have sex? Just curious.By Chris Baker
July 7, 2009 9:46 PM | Link to this
People can make themselves sexually aroused through mental imagination (fantasizing) alone. Some people lie to themselves their entire lives, marry the opposite sex, and fantasize about the same sex every single time. I’ve met many who stayed with their opposite-sex spouse for only a year (or less), plenty of time to conceive a child. It’s sad that all these blindingly obvious things need to be pointed out to you.By Bob
July 7, 2009 9:29 PM | Link to this
Doesn’t ANYONE know the answer? Please. How can a person who leaves his momma’s womb homosexual end up with children? This would seem to require some sort of state of arousal with a member of the opposite sex (GASP!- a woman!) which I have been told is impossible if one is born homosexual. Is there an answer to this enigma or is it another lie?By Chris Baker
July 7, 2009 9:20 PM | Link to this
So let me get this straight…after you have incestuous sex with your brother and sister, you’re going for a pig. You are a disgusting person.By bob
July 7, 2009 9:13 PM | Link to this
HAMOSEXUAL: (noun) a person who seeks sexual gratification not only from a member of their own sex, but also from the residents of the pigsty bordering the barnyard.By Chris Baker
July 7, 2009 9:09 PM | Link to this
You want to marry your brother and your sister?! Sicko.By bob
July 7, 2009 9:03 PM | Link to this
I love my younger brother very much. He’s my family. He’s my blood. I can’t get him on my health plan. I love my sisters, too. One is unemployed at the moment and has no health care. She would have this needed care if we two could get married. Oh Boo-hoo-hoo! BTW…how is it possible for people that leave the womb hamosexual to end up with children in the first place? Please explain.By Chris Baker
July 7, 2009 7:38 PM | Link to this
I’ll say, “Hello, my friend…long time no see. I love you, but you have got to do something about some of your followers…they’ve gotten a bit judgemental in your name.” I made my peace with God long ago. Have you heard a word He said?By A Friend
July 7, 2009 5:01 PM | Link to this
Tell me, the ones out here that are practicing homosexuality, when you die and you appear before the Lord Himself, and you look into His eyes what are you going to say to him? It’s a question that I hope & pray that you will ask yourselves tonight! Good LuckBy Maggie
July 7, 2009 4:47 PM | Link to this
Fed Up-I’ve been to the ICU recently to see a dying friend. When they asked if I was family I just said yes, and was admitted.By fed up
July 7, 2009 4:10 PM | Link to this
If you’ve ever been to the ICU you’d know their partner can’t get in. When they ask are you family they want to know if you’re a spouse, sibling or child. If you don’t meet those requirements you don’t get in. And no, they don’t give a crap if you like them and they’re not trying to legislate that. But, it should be illegal to be assaulted or singled out for their orientation. You can fire someone for their work ethic but you shouldn’t be able to fire them for their orientation. Personally, I wouldn’t want someone as bigoted as Bob to be anywhere near me. Your narrow mindedness makes my skin crawl. Just because you don’t hit in the face with something you think it’s a big conspiracy. I doubt seriously if you’ve ever seen a gay couple making out in their back yard or any of the other things you’ve said. I think you just like to spew hatred to see what others will say in response.By NOTurban legend
July 7, 2009 3:13 PM | Link to this
I have a partner & kids. We do not have or do anything that you say in these comments. I fell in love with a man, SO WHAT? My house is nice & clean, lawn mowed, kids clean & educated. We are just like you! But we are denied the benefits of marriage that str8 couples get. Goggle Marriage Benefits.By NOTUrban Legend
July 7, 2009 3:04 PM | Link to this
I work at a hospital & my “life partner” works at a University. I have GREAT healthcare through work but he doesn’t. I cant enroll him on my plan because we aren’t/cant get married. Another Urban Legend correct?By NOTurban legend
July 7, 2009 3:02 PM | Link to this
So my “life partner” works at a nice college & his kids/step are able to get FREE tuition because he works there BUT “his” kids aren’t legally his kids because Im their natural father & we aren’t married. BUT if we were married his step children could get in free…Sounds like an urban legend.By Michael
July 7, 2009 1:21 PM | Link to this
Fed Up- Name me one instance where someone couldnt get into an ICU to see their partner? I’m starting to think that argument is more of a urban legend. Plus that’s more of an issue w/ the family not liking you, and guess what that happens in “hetro” marriages too. There is a great line in of all places the TV show The Simpsons where the Simpsons go to a gay pride parade and someone on the float is screaming “Where here, we are queer, deal with it!” And Lisa yells back “we know you told us that last year! No big deal!” Quit complaining, most people don’t care if you gay or straight, you tell the “hetros” to move on all the time, now it’s the gay communitities time to move on. If your a good person, your a good person!By Bob540
July 7, 2009 1:15 PM | Link to this
Clearly, this is not about “legal rights”, as legal rights for gays are available. What gays want is “social acceptance” on a par with heterosexuals. You cannot legislate acceptance.By mark
July 7, 2009 12:02 AM | Link to this
Why don’t the homos call homosexualy anonumous and get their sickness cured and save the tax payers money and leave us business people alone!By Chris Baker
July 6, 2009 8:41 PM | Link to this
Smirk and sneer…but know that we will continue to fight your kind of intolerance and prejudice to our dying breaths. Peace be unto you, and a bright, prosperous future for you and your children.By bob
July 6, 2009 8:22 PM | Link to this
NEWS FLASH!!!! Judge “Butch” Wiseman has been passed over for the U. S. District Court Judge position. No homosexual activist judge…isn’t that great? Sanity prevails, sexual perversion takes a blow. (pun intended)By Chris Baker
July 6, 2009 8:20 PM | Link to this
Yeah…I can imagine how your PFLAG meeting went…my son has contracted the gay…is there a cure or should I kill him now? Could you say just one thing that isn’t irretrievably stupid? Anything…take your time…we’ll wait. I wish there was a law against monkeys like you procreating and polluting our gene pool.By bob
July 6, 2009 8:09 PM | Link to this
As for the specific criteria, to be honest, I wouldn’t know. I suppose you guys will have to check with your parents, since YOU were the ones who were BORN THAT WAY.By fed up
July 6, 2009 6:46 PM | Link to this
Could you elaborate and tell us what criteria was used to diagnose a four day old infant as gay? Was he born with a rainbow birthmark on him? To be honest, with all the hatred you spew I cannot even imagine the anger you would have felt if the Docs had told you your son was one of those perverts. Please let us know what the criteria is for diagnosing “gay” babies so we can all be on the lookout for them.By Chris Baker
July 6, 2009 6:36 PM | Link to this
bob, so now PFLAG viciously attacked you…PFLAG?! And explain to me how anyone could tell your son was gay when he was “4 days old”…they haven’t invented a “gay test” for infants (at least not that I’m aware of…I’ll be sure to bring it up at the monthly Homosexual Empire meeting). You spew lies and filth. You’re such an unfathomable idiot that I can’t help but laugh at your precious car being destroyed. I can only imagine what heinous things you must have said or did to those nice people, and I’m sure that you had it coming. You reap what you sow.By bob
July 6, 2009 6:16 PM | Link to this
Well, fyi, I actually went to a PFLAG meeting once when I was dealing with a situation with my own son. I thought I would find acceptance and love and tolerance there. Instead I found rudeness and hate and so much bigotry and prejudice! When I got to my car my tires had been slashed, my windshield broken, and feces had been smeared all over my car. On top of that, these loving, kind, understanding people had called the police on me…just because I told them my son had been born gay! KPD refused to take a report because they explained that the wonderful people had found it in their hearts to drop disorderly conduct charges against me. Can you believe this could happen in America? It actually happened, in 2007 when my son was 4 days old and I told them the doctors at KMC told my wife and I that our son had been born gay.By fed up
July 6, 2009 5:45 PM | Link to this
Actually Bob, you do. You are talking about giving them the exact same rights you or I have. What they do in the privacy of their home has no impact on you. I find it more offensive to have someone like you living next door to me than I do to have a gay couple. If you don’t like their lifestyle then by all means explain to your children what you find offensive about it. But they should have the right to rent any apartment they want just as you or I do. Their money isn’t worth any less. I can see objecting to a drunk or a crackhead living next to you. But to discriminate against a couple just because of their orientation is wrong. And the day that it is illegal to do so will be a victory for ALL human beings. It isn’t your jog to judge them. If God doesn’t want them in heaven then He will sort them out later. That isn’t our job. The bible says to love the sinner and hate the sins. I wish I could say that I can tolerate people like you but I find it harder and harder to accept narrow minded people anymore. And the sad thing is, that makes me intolerent.By Chris Baker
July 6, 2009 5:39 PM | Link to this
bob, please go on…your moronic, hate-filled ranting is helping our cause more than all the rational debating and deliberating we can muster. At the same time, you’re helping the argument for evolution, because to say you’re far-removed from a monkey is clearly a gross misinterpretation and misrepresentation of the truth.By bob
July 6, 2009 5:32 PM | Link to this
Sigh…Here we go again…Special rights for pervs include: You can’t fire me cuz I’m a swish and I’m driving your customers away; you HAVE to rent to me and my partner so we and our pals can have our homosexual orgies in front of you and your children on “our” patio and there is nothing you can do about it; oh, heavens, judge, that officer just gave me that ticket because he saw me leaving the Fairyland Club; dear me, I got mugged and it wasn’t random because I’m a member of a special class of citizens so therefore let’s call it a hate crime and call in the FBI. Need I say more?By fed up
July 6, 2009 4:54 PM | Link to this
Bob, could you clarify for me exactly what are the “special rights” that gays are wanting? The way I see it they want exactly the same rights that I have as a married heterosexual. The right to visit in the ICU, the right to have insurance for their partner,to be the legal “next of kin” to their partner, which right now they are denied because there isn’t a legal marriage. I don’t understand why you are so against same sex marriage if you feel marriage itself isn’t a holy union until death do you part. If you don’t treat it as such why care so much if someone else does?By Joe
July 6, 2009 4:03 PM | Link to this
Don’t forget to delete your cookies bob. Don’t need that wife finding out!By Jack
July 6, 2009 4:00 PM | Link to this
Why do I get the feeling that the old line applies here - He who smelt it dealt it. Just like Rep. Gov. Sanford who was after Clinton for cheating, I bet Bob here is a closet case. I’d put some money down that someone is all over the online gay porn!By Chris Baker
July 6, 2009 2:03 PM | Link to this
jim, there was a time when blacks and whites were not allowed to marry each other. Hey, it was the law…based on false (and prejudice) ideas. Give me one (just one) reason why state-sanctioned marriage is limited to opposite-sex couples that is not religious in nature. That means…a reason based on scientific fact. To base any law on one religion’s hang-ups is a violation of the First Amendment, and therefore unconstitutional.By Bob540
July 6, 2009 1:27 PM | Link to this
Chris, to answer your question, I was married, and then divorced. Marriage today is not “til death do us part”, it is about splitting when things get a bit rocky. I don’t need fair-weather friends or a fair-weather spouse. Marriage is over-rated.By Bob540
July 6, 2009 1:17 PM | Link to this
Chris, to answer your question, I was married, and then divorced. I don’t know that I will marry again, as it is not what I was brought up to think it was. It is not “til death do us part”, it is about splitting when things get a bit rocky. I don’t need fair-weather friends or a fair-weather spouse. Marriage is over-rated today. You aren’t missing much.By Chris Baker
July 6, 2009 12:46 PM | Link to this
One of the fundamentals of marriage is to “love, honor, and charish” your spouse. To not do so is to enter into a lifelong commitment based on a lie. So much for the sanctity of marriage…eh, jim? People get married for many reasons, but it should only be for love. You’re telling me I can’t legally marry my life partner, and you’re saying I’m intolerant?! Spare me.By jim
July 6, 2009 12:40 PM | Link to this
Chris, Additionally, why do think “it’s pretty sick” for people to be married who are not “in love”? You are making value judgments—moral judgments if not medical judgments—of those people merely because they might disagree with your concept of “marriage.” If you ask me, that is pretty intolerant.By bob
July 6, 2009 12:39 PM | Link to this
As everybody knows, homosexuals do not want equal rights, they want EXTRA rights…as far as 6 states “legalizing” same sex relationships, it’s important to note that none, no NONE, were done by the people…only by the courts (who are unconstitutionly legislating from the bench) or by the legislative branch.By jim
July 6, 2009 12:38 PM | Link to this
Chris, Additionally, why do think “it’s pretty sick” for people to be married who are not “in love.” You are making value judgments—in fact, moral judgments if not medical judgments—of those people merely because they might disagree with your concept of “marriage.” If you ask me, that is pretty intolerant.By jim
July 6, 2009 12:30 PM | Link to this
Chris, I’m not suggesting that you do anything of the kind. I’m merely letting you know that you have the same right as anyone else.By Chris Baker
July 6, 2009 12:25 PM | Link to this
jim, are you actually suggesting that I marry someone I don’t love? That’s pretty sick. That unconstitutional law is being corrected…6 down, 44 to go.By jim
July 6, 2009 12:10 PM | Link to this
Chris, You have equal protection under the law with respect to marriage. Nothing prevents you from marrying someone of the opposite sex, which is what marriage is under the law.By Gay
July 6, 2009 12:02 PM | Link to this
WOW! Hey Bob,Im gay, & I have kids & I have a black BF &…im republican!! GASP!! Guess I shouldnt have any rights. I cant wait until this OLD Redneck generation dies off! Oh btw-ppl think Im str8 all the time. SSHH dont tell!By bob
July 6, 2009 11:22 AM | Link to this
Iam quite certain that I may indeed come into contact with all kinds of people during the course of a day: homosexuals, bright people, stupid people, honest people, thieves, whores, nurses, butchers, bakers, candlestick makers, child molesters and drug addicts. So what exactly is your point?By soccertam
July 6, 2009 10:40 AM | Link to this
Chris, thank you for your thoughtful and coherent commentary. Whether Bob wants to admit it or not, unless he lives in his mom’s basement(which he may) there’s a good chance he does come into contact with gay people regularly. We work in all facets of society, pay our bills, mow our grass and walk our dogs just like everyone else.By Anne
July 6, 2009 9:59 AM | Link to this
Some day, when WASPs are the minority, you hateful old fools will be very sorry you weren’t less discriminatory when your voice actually mattered.By Chris Baker
July 6, 2009 1:36 AM | Link to this
So just to sum up…homosexuals are malicious deviants bent on world domination (or destruction). They usurped the APA to get their status cleared from the DSM. All scientific data that says they are normal is fabricated by the Homosexual Agenda. (checks his Homosexual Empire Handbook…) Let’s see…Paragraph VI of the chapter on World Domination…uh oh…you’re on to us…I’ll be sure to bring this up at our next meeting (you know…the Homosexual Empire meeting…we hold them monthly downtown). Bob’s on to our wicked plans. Oh…and something about chickens…By bob
July 6, 2009 1:26 AM | Link to this
???? The world is NOT 6,000 yrs. old? Nor flat? Nor the center? Has to be…I read in in THE ADVOCATE the leading homosexual magazine, and you know they never lie. As far as needing a PHD to refute the APA or WHO: Why should I have to be able to lay an egg to tell when one is rotten?By Chris Baker
July 6, 2009 12:58 AM | Link to this
My spidey-sense tells me you don’t have a PhD in psychology, so I doubt very seriously you could refute any of the APA or WHO conclusions. Aside from grandiose statements about “homos” and “pervs” and how we’re just plain not fit to be parents, I have yet to see a single scientific fact come from you. There’s a reason for that…there aren’t any. Much as the world is not 6,000 years old, the center of the universe, or flat, your belief is false and outdated. You have the right to state it all you want, but it’s still false.By bob
July 6, 2009 12:38 AM | Link to this
If indeed you had any scientific facts I am certain I could refute them. All of the “facts” you have stated I have seen over and over again, and are no doubt reprinted each month in various magazines catering to homosexuals. No matter how you slice it, perfume it, disguise it, or try to camouflage it the “homosexuality is OK” is a filthy lie, always has been and always will be. Truth simply does not change.By Chris Baker
July 5, 2009 11:49 PM | Link to this
My facts are straight. Your argument flops around like a dead fish on the shore. You refute scientific fact because you are an irrational bigot. The scientific community has stated time and again that homosexuals are normal people…that children of homosexual couples are normal. What basis is your prejudice? Is it religous? Because it certainly isn’t logical.By bob
July 5, 2009 11:43 PM | Link to this
Get your facts straight. The APA in August, 1973 did in fact remove homosexuality from its list of psychological disorders…BUT this was as a result of a political vote by the board and had absolutely no basis in science or medicine or anything else. The board at the time was dominated by openly homosexual members who, of course had their own agenda. Remember, there was a war going on in the ‘60’s and one could get a draft deferment for graduate school; a PHD. in psych was easy to obtain since it required virtually no skill or brains. Therefore you had more psychologists running around than you had nut cases so it was hard to make a living cracking coconuts. The DSM (Diagnosis and Sickness Manual), the book these folks use to get reimbursed by the insurance companies was getting tired of paying out money for questionable/phony claims claims. So, VOILA! the board removed it from the DSM, made the insurance companies happy, made the GLAAD the GLBT the PETA the AFLCIO and the American Banjo Society happy as a lark.By Chris Baker
July 5, 2009 11:09 PM | Link to this
I was born in Ohio, and am a citizen of the United States of America. I’m not going anywhere. This is my home every bit as much as it is yours, and my last breath will be of American air…whether you like it or not. You speak with your vote, and I’ll speak with mine. In time, we’ll see who’s right and who’s wrong…the American way. Peace, Love and Harmony.By bob
July 5, 2009 10:59 PM | Link to this
Ther was an old joke back in the 1960’s that went like this, and white people would say it with all sincerity and with a straight face, “Why, some of my best friends are black (or colored).” While other whites would nod, blacks would guffaw uncontrollably at such an obvious lie, and laugh their socks off at such a blatantly ignorant comment. It became an inside joke among black folks about which “whitey” was going to drop this goofy line next. Today this tired old line has been replaced with, “Y’know, some of my best friends are gay”. If you don’t get the point here, I suggest you read “The Emporer’s New Clothes” about how everybody raved on and on about how fashionable the King looked so THEY wouldn’t appear foolish.By mark
July 5, 2009 10:58 PM | Link to this
Another bill to pass petetions to stop it. Or how about all people move out of Ohio that do not hold to this. Or all homos move out and start their own little country!By Chris Baker
July 5, 2009 10:53 PM | Link to this
I have consistently stated scientific facts. Rights are always there, just unacknowledged. Rights are universal and inalienable…they are not created or given. You have consistently called gays “homos”, so don’t speak to me about “childish namecalling”. Teaching your children that it’s okay to discriminate against someone does them and the rest of our world far more harm than our relationships ever could. You’re right, you haven’t mentioned scripture (I’m use to scripture being used, and have never been presented any other base argument), only your opinion. Thankfully, our laws aren’t based on Bob’s opinion. The psychological community performed extensive, exhaustive studies in the sixties and seventies regarding homosexuality. They found us to be, on average, every bit as sane and normal as everyone else. Your argument seems to be that homosexuality is a mental disease, when it was removed from the list of psychological illnesses in 1973 (in America, the World Health Organization removed it in 1981). You’re argument is almost 40 years out of date…snap out of it.By bob
July 5, 2009 10:35 PM | Link to this
Chris, if you and this other guy got “married” it would impact my family. My children would HAVE to be taught in school that homosexual “marriage” was normal (it’s not) and that homosexual families are the norm. We simply cannot allow that to happen.By bob
July 5, 2009 10:29 PM | Link to this
Sorry, but nowhere in any of my arguments have I mentioned religion or any kind of scripture of any discipline. The fact is, the argument for homosexual behavior is totally flawed from each and every direction top to bottom, stem to stern, backwards and forwards. Religious or not, anyone opposing the homosexual agenda, when facts fail the pervs then resort to name calling. “Bigots”, “Haters”, “Trying to run our lives”, “Denying us our rights” (which you never had in the first place), etc… If you want to discuss, use cold hard facts, not childish name calling.By Chris Baker
July 5, 2009 10:17 PM | Link to this
Bob540, I appreciate that you support civil unions. They are a step toward equality. But can you understand that we cannot settle for “separate but equal”? It has never worked in the past, and is an affirmation of inferiority. Are you married? If so, would you be willing to cease being “married” and become “civilly united”? I doubt it. If I married my fiance, would that impact your marriage at all? Of course not. We want and deserve nothing less and nothing more than equal protection under the law.By Bob540
July 5, 2009 9:56 PM | Link to this
I’m straight. I’m very conservative. I have gay family and friends that I love and wouldn’t want to be any other way. I think gay people have the right to live a fulfilling life, just like anyone. But, I support the right of the majority to define “marriage”. What is overlooked is that the majority support legal rights for gays, but get called “haters” for not calling that “marriage”. Personally, I support plural marriage, but I’m not going to call people “haters” cause they won’t let me marry two women (legal rights would be enough . . will ya?).By Chris Baker
July 5, 2009 9:54 PM | Link to this
You believe whatever you want to believe (however irrational and blinded by bigotry). The inescapable fact is that the only concerns people tend to have against homosexuality are religious in nature. To base any laws on any religion are an obvious violation of the First Amendment to the Constitution (it’s the part about separation of church and state…maybe you should check it out). Such laws, therefore, are unconstitutional and illegal. The fact that the US has secular marriage at all is a confirmation of each citizen’s right to choose a mate. To forbid gays and lesbians from doing so is UNCONSTITUTIONAL.By bob
July 5, 2009 9:30 PM | Link to this
Sorry, but homosexuality is NOT seen in nature…ANYWHERE, except in the human animal. The examples you quote must have came straight from a “gay” publication whose agenda is quite obvious. Any woman willing to choose relations with another woman would, by her very nature, lack the necessary skills to nurture a child that had been abandoned. Likewise for men who choose that lifestyle…they are too self centered on their own gratification to share what is necessary to nurture a child (unless forced by a court).By Chris Baker
July 5, 2009 8:39 PM | Link to this
Homosexuality is seen throughout nature. Gay penguins adopt babies that have been rejected by their parents. Dolphins, dogs, horses all have homosexual examples. If it weren’t part of the “natural order” of things, why is it so prevelant in nature? If you want to take the evolutionary stance, you must remeber that humans are also animals. As for “evolutionary purpose”, there are benefits for a species to have members who do not have children, and who devote their productivity to the rest of the species as a whole. There is something to be said about slowing the rate of overpopulation. There’s also something to be said about having loving couples “on standby” to care for babies whose biological mothers (for whatever reason) have chosen to give them up for adoption.By bob
July 5, 2009 7:32 PM | Link to this
As even the most ardent evolutionist will tell you, the attraction of male to female serves an evolutionary purpose, so therefore is perfectly in line with the natural order of evolution of all species. The attraction of male to male serves absolutely no evolutionary purpose whatsoever, regardless of species, so therefore is not part of the natural order of things. How can anything so inherently unnatural be called “normal” by any reasonable individual?By Chris Baker
July 5, 2009 6:31 PM | Link to this
…but the fact is, you’re attracted to women and not men…not by choice, but by nature. Bob, I’m not sure what your goals in life are, but most of us have an almost overwhelming desire (need) to find a mate…someone to share our lives with. For most people, that need will be fulfilled by the opposite sex. For us, it is with the same sex. That’s homosexuality. A gay person is gay even if he/she never has sex in his/her entire life. I’ve been monogamous with my fiance for 6 years now. I’ve never had sex with a child or a goat (or the desire to do so). If you passed me on the street, you’d have no clue I was gay…even if we spoke. As for Bill Clinton and those others you mentioned…it is vile and wrong to cheat on someone you have made a lifelong commitment to. It’s just as wrong to cheat in a gay relationship or marriage as it is in a straight one.By bob
July 5, 2009 5:44 PM | Link to this
Now we are getting somewhere. If homosexuals are born “that way”, then so are “bi-sexuals”, right? OK. Then how about Bill Clinton, SC Gov. Mark Sanford, and all the other cheating husbands? Do you suppose they were born “tri-sexuals” (the need for two women at a time)? That argument is just as sound, don’t you think? After all, I am attracted to hundreds of women each day (I doubt few would actually want me) but it is my CHOICE whether to act on each and every base impulse.By Chris Baker
July 5, 2009 5:19 PM | Link to this
Bob…whoever said engaging in homosexual acts is not a choice? All actions are choices. Sexual attraction is not. There are plenty of homosexual men out there married to women. The fact that they have sex with women does not make them straight, just like a prisoner having sex with another man doesn’t make him gay. You clearly are not seeing the distinction.By bob
July 5, 2009 4:31 PM | Link to this
Ahhhh, me oh my…..Ethel, if folks cannot choose homosexuality, I cannot choose to rob banks, get it? Chris, how can incarcerated men CHOOSE to engage in homosexual acts if it is not a choice?By fed up
July 5, 2009 3:17 PM | Link to this
I have met many people who are wonderful, loving, compassionate people who are gay. I have met more heterosexuals who are nasty, mean, hateful and intolerant. Not all gays are flaming or butch. Many homosexuals are married and living a double life. To make a decision based on orientation is foolish. If I have a brain tumor and the best neuro doc around is gay and the mediocre doc is christian, who do you think I’m letting in my head? “Gayness” is not a learned behavior and it does not rub off on others. There is a huge difference between a pedophile and homosexual. One likes people of the same sex and one likes children. Molesting children does NOT make a person gay. If I have to choose between a bigoted christian to take care of me or a mentally balanced homosexual I’ll take the homosexual every time.And for your information I’m as straight as they come. You cannot judge people on one aspect of their life. Whether it’s color, sexual orientation, height, weight or education.By Ethel S
July 5, 2009 2:46 PM | Link to this
Well, Bob, if you chose to be a bank robber and a murderer, then you simply make a lot of bad choices and deserve to spend some time in prison. Maybe you make that choice so you can find someone to hang around with in prison. Now we understand your logic.By Chris Baker
July 5, 2009 1:51 PM | Link to this
“in a male prison, 99% are homo”? What does that even mean? Incarcerated men may choose to engage in gay sex while in prison. That does not make them homosexuals. And when has it ever been “convenient” to be gay, especially in Ohio. With people like bob running around, it’s far from “convenient”. It is, however, part of who I am (and who I’m proud to be). I don’t want any more or less rights and protections than anyone else.By Chris Baker
July 5, 2009 1:21 PM | Link to this
As for pedophiles and bestiophiles (and any other rapists for that matter), choosing to have sex with someone incapable or unwilling to consent is wrong, as it causes serious harm to that person. Any sex act with an unconsenting adult, or child or animal incapable of consenting to begin with is nothing less than rape. Why is it that homosexuality is equated with that evil? Frankly, if I were to draw conclusions about the rest of the group based on the pedophiles I hear/read about, I’d say it’s primarily a heterosexual disease. The conclusion I actually draw about it is similar to any other crime…it is an aberration of human nature (much like murder and stealing).By Bob
July 5, 2009 1:18 PM | Link to this
Now, see, it’s this 10% figure that has always puzzled me. For instance, in a male prison 99% are homo, but upon release, it drops dramatically to a tiny fraction of that. How can that happen if one is BORN that way? In certain parks, in certain bars, in the Dayton area there are a great number of homo patrons on a given night, but miraculously the next day they have turned straight! I guess that’s the beauty of the homosexual lifestyle…it can come and go at your convenience.By Chris Baker
July 5, 2009 12:57 PM | Link to this
10% of the population considers themselves homosexual. I will not believe that 1 in 10 people you meet is a lispy gay or a butchy lesbian. If that’s what you’re saying, then you’re lying. As for choice, you choose who you have sex with…you don’t choose who you’re attracted to. I’ve met many a closeted homosexual in a loveless marriage, because they chose to lie to themselves and their wives/husbands for whatever reason. When you think about sex, images spontaneously pop into your head that either appeal to you or don’t. Depending on your sexual orientation, those images are homosexual or heterosexual. I find it reprehensible that you would have gays/lesbians enter into false and ultimately destructive relationships to appease society. To marry someone you don’t truly love is wrong.By bob
July 5, 2009 8:30 AM | Link to this
Sigh… Again, being straight IS a choice. It is a choice I had to make (sometimes daily) while I was growing up and pervs were hitting on me. I just KNEW there was something screwed up with that whole scenario, no one had to tell me. Like the old guy that tried to feel me in the movies…I just knew it was wrong. I made the choice to be normal and not to stray into the deviant world. There is just something wrong with a guy that goes into a stinking outhouse seeking sex with another male he’s never seen before, like most of THEM do at public parks. I was born with the usual male appendage and it is always my CHOICE where it ends up today….whether my wife, girlfriend, another man, my grandma, daughter, or the tailpipe of an ‘89 Buick, for that matter…but it is ALWAYS ALWAYS my choice. Every action is a choice, don’t let anyone kid you!By Dustin
July 5, 2009 5:53 AM | Link to this
If you think that being gay is a choice, then answer me 1 question… When did you choose to be straight?By bob
July 5, 2009 2:12 AM | Link to this
I usually don’t meet homosexual people without realizing it. They either tell me outright (even though I never asked) or let me know through their exaggerated lisp, swish, limp wrist, or the girl with the crew cut. They send the message loud and clear, believe me.By Chris Baker
July 5, 2009 1:59 AM | Link to this
bob, yes I have…I’m also familiar with Ted Bundy and Adolf Hitler. Let’s not start generalizing based on a few bad apples. Alexander the Great was gay, as well as Tchaikowsky. What bugs me is people trying to convince the world that homosexuals as a group are bent on the destruction of society, and are somehow inferior to heterosexuals. People commit murder and wrong each other not because of their sexual orientation but because they are human (and it usually stems from hatred and malice). Being gay doesn’t make you “good” or “evil” any more than your race or hair color does. In many ways, your sexual orientation is similar to your race (though it is far more amorphous and subjective)…for most of your dealings with the rest of the world, it is somewhat in the background. You meet gays and lesbians all the time without realizing it. You don’t realize it because by and large we are completely average, normal people…similar problems, similar goals. Many people think “gay” and they think in extremes. Usually, those extremes are far from the truth.By bob
July 5, 2009 12:08 AM | Link to this
Chris Baker ever heard of John Wayne Gacy, Jeffrey Dahmer, and a zillion other homosexuals?By bob
July 5, 2009 12:03 AM | Link to this
Hmmmm….I just keep wondering exactly which one of your long, long line heterosexual ancestors did you inherit your “homosexual gene” from?By bob
July 4, 2009 11:54 PM | Link to this
Ethel S Well, I am a bank robber and a murderer. Do you think I CHOSE to be this way and be subjected to everyone else’s comments and damnation? Of course not. Given the consequences I face, who in the world would CHOOSE to be born this way?By Chris Baker
July 4, 2009 10:55 PM | Link to this
The single human trait that is the most “detrimental to the longevity of the species” is hatred. Gay people don’t start wars and murder their fellow men/women…hatred always has and always will.By Daytonian
July 4, 2009 9:31 PM | Link to this
Every evolutionary biologist knows that is is simple mutation. No one gets to choose their gene mutations, they are set at conception. This mutation is no different than a predisposition to Aspergers or any other mutation that is detrimental to the longevity of the species. Please drop the issue.By Tony
July 4, 2009 7:15 PM | Link to this
And the Lawyers are happy! They just doubled their business.By Chris Baker
July 4, 2009 5:10 PM | Link to this
Shame on those who would use religion to justify their bigotry and hatred. All AMERICAN CITIZENS have the INALIENABLE RIGHT to EQUAL protection under the law. Homosexuals are your brothers, sisters, cousins, uncles, aunts, daughters, sons, and neighbors. Why don’t you start treating us as such.By fed up
July 4, 2009 4:24 PM | Link to this
Okay, the bottome line is this-everyone has the right to live their life as they see fit within the laws of this country. That means everyone has equal rights. Gays can marry and divorce just like heterosexuals. For those of you who are foaming at the mouth over this take a deep breath and shut up. God will sort it out in the end. It is not your job to pass judgement on others. So stop and pray for them if that floats your boat but leave ‘em alone. After all, every homosexual in this country came from heterosexual parents. That tells me it’s not nurture it’s nature. There is homosexuality in animals and humans so keep your religion out of other people’s lives. And that’s all I have to say!By Washington Township
July 4, 2009 3:26 PM | Link to this
Another interesting statistical angle is demoninational. It’s one thing to oppose gay partnerships or marriage on principle, it’s another to actually feel threatened by them. And there is a big divide between evangelicals and Catholics on this, with over 60% of the Catholics not feeling threatened vs 54% of the born again/evangelicals….the marjority…feeling the institution of marriages is threatned by gay marriage. This might account for the lower degree of opposition to lesbians and gays up in the Toledo and Cleveland areas, as those metro areas are more Catholic and less fundy/born-again than Dayton.By Washington Township
July 4, 2009 3:05 PM | Link to this
The polling numbers show some interesting trends. Support for gays increases with education and income, and with the 18-34 age group, the very things the Dayton area is weak in. Message for gays and lesbians: this is not a particularly welcoming community.By melting pot
July 4, 2009 2:55 PM | Link to this
What is wrong with people. Being homosexual does NOT equate to being a pedophile! The majority of pedophiles are HETEROSEXUAL middle aged men. To the people quoting the Christian religion- once again, not everyone believes in YOUR version of your God or your religion. There are a plethora of religions. This is what makes America great. You may have heard of the term melting pot. That means that there are multiple ethnicities, religions, practices, and beliefs. Get used to it!By Ethel S
July 4, 2009 2:21 PM | Link to this
Most gay people I talked with do not think it is a “choice” regarding their sexual orientation because if it were, why would they chose to be subjected to everyone’s else comments and damnation. We should strive to understand their dilemna and have compassion for their struggle. And not sit in judgment until we have educated ourselves on the subject. This would be so helpful, then gay people do not have to “hide” from the raft of the uninformed public. Gays are people too. And they can range from the most gifted to child molesters. They came from all ways of lives and families.By Buzz
July 4, 2009 1:38 PM | Link to this
Homosexuality is a mental illness, the same as a pedophilia or any other deviation. It’s time we stopped believing this “alternative lifestyle” garbage and call things what they are.By m
July 4, 2009 12:34 PM | Link to this
Anonymous said this - “First of all, the earliest argument…Sodomy and Sodom. Okay, Sodomy is obviously based on the story of Sodom. How did this all go down? I’ll tell you! Angels came down (Fallen, maybe…been a while Hehe.)and start destroying things, and come to Sodom’s Inn, and say to him, “Give us your daughter!” and he specifically said to them, “No!”. So, the Angels proceeded to do the next best thing to their wretched plans, they sodomized Sodom. Which is where Sodomy is bad, apparently…because Angels did it to an unwilling man. ANGELS. Sodom wasn’t a serial rapist out to hurt people. - Well he needs to get his facts right… Angels came to visit Lot and the people in the town came and told Lot to give him the visitors but Lot said no and offered them his virgin daughters so that they wouldn’t be committing the sin of whats now called sodomy. I’m a christian and I don’t agree with same-sex marriage but i’m not going to judge people for it… It’s not my place to judge. One of my best friends is gay and all I can do is love him and support him in whatever he needs me to.By Wisewoof
July 4, 2009 12:29 PM | Link to this
The doctrine of the Catholic Church, the one founded by Paul, is that sex for any reason other than creating a child is sinful. Condoms, masturbation, sex for sex’s sake is wrong. If that is the way you wish to lead your life – peace be with you brother – and good luck with that.By Wisewoof
July 4, 2009 11:19 AM | Link to this
People with alcohol, drug and sex addictions hate something about themselves Bob and are out of control. They need help which is available when they are ready to accept it. Love and Charity 1 - Sarcasm - 0.By Rick
July 4, 2009 11:17 AM | Link to this
This is not news, but rather the drive by media trying to push for acceptance of homosexual relations. Polls are not news. Wisewoof, the Apostle Paul condemned homosexual behavior in his writings.By tired
July 4, 2009 10:23 AM | Link to this
re:philman, wow, you are truly undeducated! Your adults then act like one! You make the choices to live and work by.It just goes to show how shallow some peoples mind thinking isBy bob
July 4, 2009 9:54 AM | Link to this
Everybody should strive to practice love and charity and avoid thoughts of hate. Therefore, let’s not discriminate against those who like to drive drunk, take heroin in their own bedroom, enjoy kiddie porn in private, or like to cook meth. Live and let live, eh?By Wisewoof
July 4, 2009 9:01 AM | Link to this
Every Christian should strive to practice love and charity and avoid thoughts of hate and animosity. Consenting ADULTS should be allowed to experience the loving relationship of their choice and the law cannot discriminate against them. Ohio is waking up to the fact that mainstream same-sex couples are generally affluent tax-paying citizens that seek upscale surroundings and improve their neighborhoods. The four Gospels are silent on sexual relations and the old testament has enough rules to damn anyone who quotes just one of them while ignoring the rest. With the planet’s population approaching 7 billion we should welcome same-sex couples who usually have no children!By bob
July 4, 2009 7:47 AM | Link to this
I remember choosing to be heterosexual the first time a perv tried to recruit me into the homo lifestyle. Best choice I ever made. Everything activity in this world is a choice. Everything.By Philman
July 4, 2009 5:43 AM | Link to this
If you are born that way then so are Pedophiles,and people that like farm animals, what should we do about them?how would you like to Own a Nice Restaraunt and have one of your waiters come out as a flaming Transvestite, now who would want him handling their food? now you get to spend all your PROFIT defending your right to Fire the Weirdo.who shrank your bussiness, because of people staying away.By not a choice
July 4, 2009 1:05 AM | Link to this
This is what I say to heteros that say it is a “choice”. When did you choose to be attracted to your wife/husband? When did you choose to be a heterosexual? It shuts them up every time. Also, with people that say that marriage is about having children then with that logic anyone that decided not to have children should be banned from marriage.By j
July 3, 2009 10:21 PM | Link to this
hey they are going to do what they want basicly your vote doesn t count. Really rome has their hand in taking away the freedom of religion away from the prosistant americans. rome catholic runs america. and they’re is alot of homesexual preist that want this to pass.By britt
July 3, 2009 10:16 PM | Link to this
Consenting adults? Let them do what ever they choose behind closed doors even to the point of hurting eachother as long as they dont feel the need to share their details! Benefits from a same sex marraige? Non1 the were created to help ensure thesurvival of the species rather than offset it allowing a more cohesive “family unit” Chaildren involved? NEVER=Same as any other form of contributing to the delinquincy of a minor! A 10 year pld may need to start learning of love and reproduction but not why Daddy likes Dick!By britt
July 3, 2009 10:15 PM | Link to this
Consenting adults? Let them do what ever they choose behind closed doors even to the point of hurting eachother as long as they dont feel the need to share their details! Benefits from a same sex marraige? Non1 the were created to help ensure thesurvival of the species rather than offset it allowing a more cohesive “family unit” Chaildren involved? NEVER=Same as any other form of contributing to the delinquincy of a minor! A 10 year pld may need to tart learning of love and reproduction ut not why Daddy like Dick!By -Anonymous-
July 3, 2009 9:12 PM | Link to this
Ah, another example of idiocy in the Human race. Once more we have come to the common battleground of Gay Rights. Now, allow me to pick apart what all this is about, friends. First of all, the earliest argument…Sodomy and Sodom. Okay, Sodomy is obviously based on the story of Sodom. How did this all go down? I’ll tell you! Angels came down (Fallen, maybe…been a while Hehe.)and start destroying things, and come to Sodom’s Inn, and say to him, “Give us your daughter!” and he specifically said to them, “No!”. So, the Angels proceeded to do the next best thing to their wretched plans, they sodomized Sodom. Which is where Sodomy is bad, apparently…because Angels did it to an unwilling man. ANGELS. Sodom wasn’t a serial rapist out to hurt people. Ok, moving on. I figure Human Nature is exactly what’s causing all of this crap. Humans are determined to go forth and prove themselves right, because humans have the ‘Holier than Thou’ syndrome written right into their DNA. Thus, fools will be fools but will always be out to be less of a fool than the others, making him more of a fool. But hey, where am I to speak? I myself am bisexual, so I don’t have any rights. Sorry for sharing any coherent thought! (If you couldn’t tell, that was ‘Someone who seems to be biased but if you look at it really isn’t’ or something like that.)By J
July 3, 2009 8:57 PM | Link to this
Wow! I have truly lost my faith in humanity after reading this. For a country that boasts freedom as its slogan, is it not ironic that a certain group of people are denied rights against discrimination on a biased and irrelevant basis? Gay is the new black, I suppose.By Frylock
July 3, 2009 7:29 PM | Link to this
Dr. No, unless you yourself are a former gay, and have now decided to become straight, then congratulations. It’s your personal “CHOICE”. However, you cannot speak for anyone other than you and your own personal experience. Even your 2 “ex-gay” friends. Right.By Dr. No
July 3, 2009 7:03 PM | Link to this
kncjr, it is absolutely a “CHOICE”. I know two reformed gay men who described in detail their obsession with sex. Save the political correct talking points for the campaign. True honesty would be a much more convincing argument.By Donna
July 3, 2009 6:52 PM | Link to this
There is a church in Maineville that is Open and Affirming. The church seeks to welcome everyone to the fellowship of faith. If anyone would like more information, please respond, and I will post the information here.By Freedomlover
July 3, 2009 6:07 PM | Link to this
The only poll that matters is what God thinks about sodomy.It’s an abomination, and those who practice such behaviors will not enter the kingdom of heaven.Remember Sodom!By kncjr
July 3, 2009 5:44 PM | Link to this
Since when did it become a preference. Gays don’t choose to be gay. DDN and William Hershey it’s sexual orientation.