If you want the answer to why unions oppose the random testing, it is simple. Teachers do not have what a lot of people have: the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. People paint teachers with a broad brush like “teachers have gotten out of hand”. What does that mean? No responsible teacher would oppose testing for cause, but testing without cause is another presumption of guilt. Do you wonder why GOOD teachers are leaving? You shouldn’t. Where is the respect we had for them?
I DEFINITLEY think that drug testing of teachers/students is a great idea!!! Teachers have got out of hand these days…having sexual relationships and partying with students. The bad teachers have given the good ones a bad name! I wouldn’t want my child being taught by someone that was abusing drugs, and I would want to know if my child was also!!! Question…Why wouldn’t the teacher’s union agree with random drug testing…Is it because they know they would lose a few????
Whether one considers data from the Depts. of Labor, Health & Human Services, National Traffic & Highway Safety, OSHA, DOT, OBWC, or private sector insurers, there is a pervasive substance abuse problem that cuts across social, economic, racial, vocational, generational and geographic strata. Some progressive unions that really want to protect their members and the public, endorse random testing (carpenters, iron workers and transit workers). They know random testing is a proven deterrent.
No,Jim,actually I’m just a regular old worker in a research lab, working for corporate America.Have been for 36+ years.Not very fond of management myself and not fond of greedy unions either.Actually, as it turns out,I’m probably more on your side than the employers. I said the employer holds the cards in negotiations.They have the power to shut the place down,rather than negotiate another contract. They have the power to downsize positions if they choose.Ask the AEIF about reasonable negotiatio
Actually, the ignorance demonstrated is yours. This is not my union we are talking about. I merely point out that unions negotiate with employers all the time. For a person to suggest that these negotiations become a situation where the employer decides everything would remove the idea of negotiations altogether. Employers and unions should always engage in honest, fair, and reasonable negotiations. Or, are you the unreasonable employer?
Jim-We in private indus. haven’t had a pay raise to”keep up with inflation” in over 20 years.Your union isn’t really expecting to receive a raise that kept up,are you?How naive.That stopped years ago.Everyone,no matter the vocation,is way behind on that.As to denying the union negotiations-no,I never said that.I think that’s your right.The employer ALWAYS hold the cards,no matter where you work,or what you do for a living.Teachers aren’t stupid,just out of touch with reality as you have demonstr
Several weeks ago, 2 illegals were killed in a fiery crash. Upon learning their TRUE identity, it was discovered that they were 21 & 22 year old adults, with cocaine & alcohol in their system, who also happened to be ILLEGAL ALIENS PRETENDING to be 15 - 16 year old students and were enrolled at a local Junior High school.
Random tests and identity checks should be the norm for the illegal alien students enrolled in public school.
I have it. You would deny teachers a chance to negotiate with a district. The district regularly holds all the cards. That’s why they can pay 200% of the price of a home and turn around and fall under the pressure of the teacher’s union to give them 2%. Yep, sounds like the teachers have the boards right where they want them. Wonder how much it would cost to give them a raise that keeps pace with inflation? Good thing teachers are too stupid to ask for more, huh?
No Jim- The one way street I was referring to is that the teachers union usually insists that it’s their way or no way at all.That’s ONE WAY thinking. The OTHER way, Jim, is that the school board act like they have a backbone and resist the union insistance on having it their way or else. In other words, Jim, provide resistance against the union demands.That is negotiating BOTH ways. Got it, Jim??
Do no re-negotiate with the teachers Union. These are professional salaried employees. Offer them their jobs in a take it or leave it style. They may as well be treated like the rest of us working salaried individuals.
Teachers union is wrong. Test them and make it a condition of continued employment. Private companies do this. The teachers union should not be the only source of contract negotiations.It’s not a one way street.The School Boards need to get a spine and start representing the taxpayer’s dollars much better than they have in the past. This idea of “give us more money and more benefits” from the union doesn’t cut it. No bargaining- you will be tested or you won’t be employed here- just that simple.
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By Jim
May 16, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this
If you want the answer to why unions oppose the random testing, it is simple. Teachers do not have what a lot of people have: the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. People paint teachers with a broad brush like “teachers have gotten out of hand”. What does that mean? No responsible teacher would oppose testing for cause, but testing without cause is another presumption of guilt. Do you wonder why GOOD teachers are leaving? You shouldn’t. Where is the respect we had for them?
By Tamra
May 14, 2008 8:38 AM | Link to this
I DEFINITLEY think that drug testing of teachers/students is a great idea!!! Teachers have got out of hand these days…having sexual relationships and partying with students. The bad teachers have given the good ones a bad name! I wouldn’t want my child being taught by someone that was abusing drugs, and I would want to know if my child was also!!! Question…Why wouldn’t the teacher’s union agree with random drug testing…Is it because they know they would lose a few????
By ks
May 12, 2008 3:41 PM | Link to this
Whether one considers data from the Depts. of Labor, Health & Human Services, National Traffic & Highway Safety, OSHA, DOT, OBWC, or private sector insurers, there is a pervasive substance abuse problem that cuts across social, economic, racial, vocational, generational and geographic strata. Some progressive unions that really want to protect their members and the public, endorse random testing (carpenters, iron workers and transit workers). They know random testing is a proven deterrent.
By VietVet
May 12, 2008 7:38 AM | Link to this
No,Jim,actually I’m just a regular old worker in a research lab, working for corporate America.Have been for 36+ years.Not very fond of management myself and not fond of greedy unions either.Actually, as it turns out,I’m probably more on your side than the employers. I said the employer holds the cards in negotiations.They have the power to shut the place down,rather than negotiate another contract. They have the power to downsize positions if they choose.Ask the AEIF about reasonable negotiatio
By Jim
May 12, 2008 7:03 AM | Link to this
Actually, the ignorance demonstrated is yours. This is not my union we are talking about. I merely point out that unions negotiate with employers all the time. For a person to suggest that these negotiations become a situation where the employer decides everything would remove the idea of negotiations altogether. Employers and unions should always engage in honest, fair, and reasonable negotiations. Or, are you the unreasonable employer?
By VietVet
May 11, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this
Jim-We in private indus. haven’t had a pay raise to”keep up with inflation” in over 20 years.Your union isn’t really expecting to receive a raise that kept up,are you?How naive.That stopped years ago.Everyone,no matter the vocation,is way behind on that.As to denying the union negotiations-no,I never said that.I think that’s your right.The employer ALWAYS hold the cards,no matter where you work,or what you do for a living.Teachers aren’t stupid,just out of touch with reality as you have demonstr
By Identify them
May 10, 2008 8:06 PM | Link to this
Several weeks ago, 2 illegals were killed in a fiery crash. Upon learning their TRUE identity, it was discovered that they were 21 & 22 year old adults, with cocaine & alcohol in their system, who also happened to be ILLEGAL ALIENS PRETENDING to be 15 - 16 year old students and were enrolled at a local Junior High school.
Random tests and identity checks should be the norm for the illegal alien students enrolled in public school.
By D H Johnson
May 9, 2008 3:07 PM | Link to this
especially testing the employees and teachers is a good idea. the students are too numerous to check.
By D H Johnson
May 9, 2008 3:06 PM | Link to this
especially testing the employees and teachers is a good idea. the students are too numerous to check.
By Jim
May 9, 2008 1:04 PM | Link to this
I have it. You would deny teachers a chance to negotiate with a district. The district regularly holds all the cards. That’s why they can pay 200% of the price of a home and turn around and fall under the pressure of the teacher’s union to give them 2%. Yep, sounds like the teachers have the boards right where they want them. Wonder how much it would cost to give them a raise that keeps pace with inflation? Good thing teachers are too stupid to ask for more, huh?
By VietVet
May 9, 2008 11:00 AM | Link to this
No Jim- The one way street I was referring to is that the teachers union usually insists that it’s their way or no way at all.That’s ONE WAY thinking. The OTHER way, Jim, is that the school board act like they have a backbone and resist the union insistance on having it their way or else. In other words, Jim, provide resistance against the union demands.That is negotiating BOTH ways. Got it, Jim??
By Jim
May 9, 2008 8:34 AM | Link to this
Amazingly enough, VietVet states that it’s not a one way street, and then proceeds to draw us a map of that very one way street.
By M
May 9, 2008 8:23 AM | Link to this
Do no re-negotiate with the teachers Union. These are professional salaried employees. Offer them their jobs in a take it or leave it style. They may as well be treated like the rest of us working salaried individuals.
By VietVet
May 9, 2008 6:36 AM | Link to this
Teachers union is wrong. Test them and make it a condition of continued employment. Private companies do this. The teachers union should not be the only source of contract negotiations.It’s not a one way street.The School Boards need to get a spine and start representing the taxpayer’s dollars much better than they have in the past. This idea of “give us more money and more benefits” from the union doesn’t cut it. No bargaining- you will be tested or you won’t be employed here- just that simple.