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The ‘p’ word, plus Thompson, Dunn

Nature’s call can sometimes become a scream. Just ask me and my limo driver about our Thursday trip.

Yes, a limo driver. Because I can’t drive, for about half the games on a homestand the paper rents a limousine for me for the hour-and-fifteen minute trip from Englewood to Cincinnati - and the hour-and-fifteen minutes back home.

Usually it is an hour-and-fifteen.

On Thursday two tractor trailer trucks collided on southbound 75 near Tylersville Road, shutting it down completely. In one 30-minute stretch we moved 100 feet.

Of course, both my driver and I had an abundance of morning coffee and, well, what is a guy to do. He was seat-scooting in the front and I was seat-squirming in the back.

Finally, we both did what we had to do. Large coffee cups hold more than what Juan Valdez grows.

I missed a scheduled 10:30 meeting with manager Dusty Baker and for a while I thought I might miss some of the game.

Reminded me of a time when I rode from Los Angeles to San Diego with Greg Hoard, then the beat writer for the Cincinnati Enquirer. He wanted to set a land speed record and refused to make a pit stop as he roared down I-5.

I tried and tried and tried to not think about what nature wanted me to do as San Clemente and San Juan Capistrano and Oceanside flew by my window.

Did pretty good, too, but one block from the hotel I could stand it no more. With the car still rolling toward the hotel parking lot, I leaped out and set a personal best for the 60-yard dash to a service station restroom. I may have shouldered down the door because it was locked and I had no time to secure a key.

THE REDS have yet to make it official, but punch it into your Blackberry or iPod — 22-year-old rookie Daryl Thompson will pitch Saturday in Yankee Stadium against the New York Yankees.

Thompson is 3-0 with a 3.25 earned run average in four starts at Louisville (AAA) after starting the season at Class AA Chattanooga and going 3-2 with a 1.76 ERA in 10 starts.

Thompson is an interesting story and was, basically, a throw-in to the deal that sent Austin Kearns, Felipe Lopez and Ryan Wager to the Washington Nationals.

In return, the Reds received Royce Clayton, Bill Bray, Gary Majewski, Brendan Harris and Thompson.

What ensued was a dispute between Nationals general manager Jim Bowden and former Reds GM Wayne Krivsky over whether Majewski was damaged goods.

Amazingly, Washington insiders said Thompson was included in the deal because he had major shoulder surgery in 2005 (torn labrum) and Bowden didn’t think he would last. As one Bowden acquaintance said, “Bowden thought he was sticking it to the Reds with Thompson.”

As a matter of fact, Reds medical director Dr. Tim Kremchek performed the surgery while Thompson was in Washington’s minor-league system and he was still rehabbing the surgery when the trade was made.

It isn’t likely Thompson will be intimidated by the Yankees, Yankee Stadium or the ghosts of Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Joe DiMaggio and Mickey Mantle.

Thompson had a dose of Yankee-sim this spring when he pitched an inning against the Yankees in packed Legends Field in Tampa, Fla. and struck out the side.

AND HERE is what Toronto Blue Jays GM J.P. Ricciardi said on his radio show when a caller asked if he would be interested in trading for or signing Adam Dunn:

“Do you know the guy really doesn’t like baseball that much? Do you know the guy doesn’t have the passion to play the game that much? How much you know about the player? There is a reason why you are attracted to some players and there is a reason why you’re not attracted to some players. I think you would not be very happy if we brought Adam Dunn here. We’ve done our home work on guys like Adam Dunn and there is a reason why we don’t want Adam Dunn.

“I don’t want to get into specifics. He is a lifetime .230 to .240 hitter that strikes out a ton and hits home runs.”

Loved some of the comments by the callers after Ricciardi’s barrage.

“Do you have a passion for baseball, J.P.?”

“Yeah, all Adam Dunn does is hit home runs and the Blue Jays don’t have anybody to hit home runs.”

My question to ol’ J.P. is, “How do you know what Adam loves or hates or has a passion for or doesn’t have a passion for?” Yes, Dunn loves football. Even has a passion for it - probably more than he has for baseball.

But he does like the game and he does have a passion for it. Does he watch football? Absolutely. Does he watch baseball? Not much. But he does watch tapes of himself and opposing pitchers.

Hey, when I’m not working I don’t sit behind another base]ball writer and watch him work. And I believe I have as much for baseball writing as any other beat writer I know.

And here was Dunn’s response after the Reds left another odiferous deposit in the middle of GABP, a 6-4 loss to the Dodgers that left the Reds 2-7 on the homestand and about to hang a sign on last place that says, “Squatter’s Rights.”

“I have a lot more important things to worry about than some wind-bag GM in Canada says about me,” he said. “It is very unprofessional. He can talk about his players all he wants. If he said that about anybody on our team I’d be angry because he has no right to talk about anybody other than his own team.

“Passion? He can say what he wants about the strikeouts and that I don’t fit in their scheme, whatever, but you can’t tell me about something you have no idea about. You’re not even in the U.S., you’re in Canada,” Dunn added. “He can’t tell me I don’t love the game or I wouldn’t play 160 games a year.”

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By Emerald Limousine

July 8, 2009 11:38 AM | Link to this

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By Emerald Limousine

July 8, 2009 11:37 AM | Link to this

Coffee in, Coffee out! That’s a cute story! Give us a call, we’ll make sure you get to a bathroom! www.daytonlimo.com

By Y-City Jim

June 20, 2008 10:24 PM | Link to this

Cabrera is going on the DL. The bone broke the skin. Ouch!!! They are talking activating Hairston rather than Keppinger.

By mike cahill

June 20, 2008 4:13 PM | Link to this

Give J.P. all the hell he deserves, Adam. I’ve questioned your worth to the Reds, but I’ve never questioned your professionalism or whether you like the game enough. You play 160 games because you are both durable and professional. You are respected. I hope you never confuse disappointment with disrespect.

By Reds Authority

June 20, 2008 2:35 PM | Link to this

BREAKING: Release from Reds regarding call-up of Daryl Thompson… TOMORROW’S STARTER: The Reds are expected to recall from Class AAA Louisville RHP Daryl Thompson (#53) to start tomorrow’s game…he will make his Major League debut…Thompson, 22, began the season in the minor leagues and in 14 starts at Class AA Chattanooga and Class AAA Louisville combined to go 6-2, 2.22…prior to this season he never had pitched above Class A…he will join a starting rotation that already includes 24-year-old RHP Edinson Volquez and 22-year-old Johnny Cueto…he replaces in the rotation 22-year-old RHP Homer Bailey.

By Y-City Jim

June 20, 2008 2:23 PM | Link to this

Mr. Baseball, I don’t believe Moneyball ever opposed the idea of bunting for a base hit.

By Y-City Jim

June 20, 2008 2:20 PM | Link to this

I hope they have Thompson sitting in the dugout tonight to get acclimated to the climate.

By Don Hoak

June 20, 2008 2:16 PM | Link to this

Hey so-called “Reds Authority”… I read that on the yahoo home page two hours ago…that’s OLD news…like most of your lame, self-congratulatory posts are. What is WITH your tremendous insecurity that you ALWAYS have to add “you heard it here FIRST!”? Child.

By Reds Authority

June 20, 2008 2:07 PM | Link to this

BREAKING: Reds confirm that Darryl Thompson WILL start for the Reds Saturday in NYC. As always, you heard it here FIRST!

By Mr. Baseball

June 20, 2008 1:59 PM | Link to this

Mr. Baseball is very chagrined with the Reds’ performance these days. But there was a glimmer of hope amidst the muckity muck performance yesterday. Hopper’s bunt single with the bases loaded was absolutely audacious. It goes against that famous baseball “book” that we’ve heard about, but it was a great play because it screamed out, “We can win this game.” Hopper’s bunt brought in a second run and brought the tying run to the plate with the meat of the order coming up. Just one of those little things that could turn a game around, and almost did. If only, Griffey, Dunn, and others showed the heart to win that Hopper demonstrated yesterday. Yes, the Toronto GM’s comments about Dunn were out of line, but they were not untrue. Dunn’s failure to catch a short fly ball in left yesterday was just another result of lack of focus. Not so much lack of hustle, but lack of focus. He came in on the ball fast enough to catch it, but pulled up because he thought the shortstop would get there first. Lack of focus. As an outfielder, he should take charge all the way and he should know the shortstop will let him have it. Yes, I am concerned, as one blogger posts, that this lackadaisical attitude of Dunn and Griffey will rub off on the good young players that we have. Next year can’t come soon enough for Reds fans, when we will be rid of Griffey and Dunn and can rebuild this team around some young players.

By HuberTucky

June 20, 2008 1:21 PM | Link to this

As they say — “paybacks are a b!tch.” So we’ll see if Dunn has any passion or not next week when the Reds play Toronto IN Toronto. And we’ll see if it p!ssed off his teammates enough to come out of their punchless slumber for another stunning two game winning streak before crawling back into their sleeping bags led by sickly Camp Master Griffey. Ricciardi’s comments about the spiritual leader of a dud last place team that’s 12-1/2 games out before the All Star break are spot on and apply to more than just Adam Dunn. Hey gang, if the shoe fits…! Me thinks the listless Deads players protesteth too much. Results, boys. Look at your results. It’s not us and it’s not Ricciardi — it’s you guys! You stink and you suck. Period. The #s prove it!

By Will

June 20, 2008 11:18 AM | Link to this

I dont buy the no passion cr@p. You can say all you want about the defense, or the stikeouts, but to say he has no passion is assinine, you dont know that one bit. That would be like saying Hal McCoy has no passion because of the grammatical errors in his column.

By tom

June 20, 2008 11:17 AM | Link to this

It looks like Toronto is one team Dunn will not be traded to or sign with.

By Steven Ross

June 20, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this

Kettering wrote: Ricciardi’s comments were uncalled for. Even worse than that is they were deadly accurate. Do NOT re-sign Dunn, that money can better be spent elsewhere. You sir, are correct on both accounts. Good post.

By Mike

June 20, 2008 8:30 AM | Link to this

Earth shaking news this morning..heasdline in the Enquirer ” MUM’S STILL (OFFICALLY)THE WORD ON SATURDAY’S STARTER” Then in the opening paragraph.Baker is quoted as saying”We know…but we can’t say!” As I write this post..Saturdays game is at 1:05pm about 29 hours from now. Can anyone shed light on this clandestine, CIA nonsense. What reason on earth would Baker say..he knows..but can’t say?? It’s not like the Yankees have someone secretly posted outisde GABP with strict orders to report back to Joe Girardi!! Even if the Yankees know..I bet..they couldn’t care less WHO it is! Probably Daryl Thompson..now don’t you feel better for knowing that! But don’t tell the Reds or an operative may kick into action! Last place..12 1/2 games out….sad.

By Mike

June 20, 2008 8:28 AM | Link to this

Earth shaking news this morning..heasdline in the Enquirer ” MUM’S STILL (OFFICALLY)THE WORD ON SATURDAY’S STARTER” Then in the opening paragraph.Baker is quoted as saying”We know…but we can’t say!” As I write this post..Saturdays game is at 1:05pm about 29 hours from now. Can anyone shed light on this clandestine, CIA nonsense. What reason on earth would Baker say..he knows..but can’t say?? It’s not like the Yankees have someone secretly posted outisde GABP with strict orders to report back to Joe Girardi!! Even if the Yankees know..I bet..they couldn’t care less WHO it is! Probably Daryl Thompson..now don’t you feel better for knowing that! But don’t tell the Reds or an operative may kick into action! Last place..12 1/2 games out….sad.

By Kettering

June 20, 2008 8:25 AM | Link to this

Ricciardi’s comments were uncalled for. Even worse than that is they were deadly accurate. Do NOT re-sign Dunn, that money can better be spent elsewhere.

By Florida Buckeye

June 20, 2008 8:10 AM | Link to this

Hal, I’ve been reading everyday; but, I just haven’t been motivated to post anything of late. I, like my beloved Reds, seem to be in a funk…Griffey’s comments struck me as facaetious, and his stomach flu strikes me as very, shall we say, properly timed: It’s on record that he believes Cincy has been two faced to him - loving his stats, hating his play - combine that with trade rumors, and a celebration of his accomplishments…it’s got to have him shaking his head, and wondering ‘what’s going on…’ Sadly, we all wonder the same thing for the Reds as a team

By Y-City Jim

June 20, 2008 1:25 AM | Link to this

Ricciardi has called Walt Jocketty to apologize and will be attempting to reach out to Dunn to apologize to him.

By Y-City Jim

June 20, 2008 12:43 AM | Link to this

Pitchers might want to think of a new plan of attack since they are putting him on base 40% of the time. As for Riccardi, he is the one that agreed to do a once-a-week call-in show. If he can’t stand the heat from the fans then get out of the kitchen.

By Aaron B.

June 19, 2008 11:03 PM | Link to this

I dont think Riccardi’s comments were out of line. He was basically ridiculing the fan not Dunn. Fans are so power hungry they start demanding their front office to shell out 13 million multi million dollar contracts with bonuses for guys batting in the 230s just because he can launch one a country mile. Riccardi’s scouts surely see all the holes in Dunn’s game. Lack of passion may have been more true a couple yrs ago when it was definitely arguably true — his defense was worse he was really sloppy in the field to the point a lot of us were convinced he either had a hole in his glove or was playing drunk. Even this season he threw a ball BACKWARDS — which amazingly got very scant attention by Reds media. I thought it was the most outrageously embarrassing play a professional has made since Canseco let a ball bounce off his head over the wall. Anyhow, we are arguing about semantics. Dunn is not a coveted talent even with his 40 100 100 line season after season. He is bad defensively and can be attacked easily by good pitchers who know what they are doing. He is amazingly strong and puts on some good power displays but if we are counting on this guy to build around we are fooling ourselves. GMs and scouts around the league know his game and it is not something they want to witness first hand.

By Roger

June 19, 2008 9:49 PM | Link to this

Hal, as a former over-the road truck driver, may I suggest when on those trips in the limo or anytime really, a one-gallon zip-lock bag. Not those knock-off brands but the best most expensive ones. Empty it fits nicely in your coat pocket, but once used discreet disposable can be a problem, but doesn’t every great sports writer have a large brief case, or today’s morning edition to use as a handy wrapper?

By Y-City Jim

June 19, 2008 9:20 PM | Link to this

Another interesting stat is Edwin Encarnacion’s situational hitting. Until this year, he was the last guy the opposition wanted to face with RISP. Why was it the Reds fired Chris Chambliss two year’s ago?

By Y-City Jim

June 19, 2008 9:12 PM | Link to this

Compare the number of run scoring opportunities that the top RBI guys are getting compared to Dunn. On average they are getting 35 to 40 percent more then he is. That said, I have always felt Dunn is a top of the order hitter (#2) who hits a lot of HR’s. When we have such pathetic top of the order hitters why are we wasting Dunn’s .400 OBP in the fifth spot?

By coach

June 19, 2008 7:20 PM | Link to this

Mike-Cinci: I disagree with your first sentence; but totally agree with your well-said comments. The reason I disagree with the first sentence: One example—today’s allowing of a ball to drop because of lack of hustle. It wasn’t lack of ability that the ball dropped—as Cowboy said—he should have been coming full speed until he determined he could not make the play. It’s the outfielders ball, if he can get to it sprinting, not jogging!

By coach

June 19, 2008 7:01 PM | Link to this

Talk the Cubs into taking Dunn—then pitch him low and away—guaranteed strike out!

By Don

June 19, 2008 6:49 PM | Link to this

Hal, speaking of Majewski and Bowden, where do the Reds stand with their official complaint to MLB about Majewski’s alleged previously undiscolsed injury?

By Mike-Cinci

June 19, 2008 5:59 PM | Link to this

Adam Dunn does not have an attitude problem. I believe he wants to win as much as anyone else. Dunn has an ability problem. He has great power and an excellent eye but he is not a good hitter. He does not make enough contact and as a result he is not a productive RBI guy. He is not going to get any better. He is what he is. The problem both Dunn and Griffey create for the Reds is in the salary area. They take up $26 million of a $75 million payroll and don’t produce enough to justify it. Next year Harang and Arroyo will cost $24 million and based on results this year so far they won’t be worth it either. Cordero, the $11 milliom closer is wasted on a last place team. Scouting, drafting, developing players are critical to success. Being able to evaluate talent and pay the right $ for the players that produce is the key responsibility of the front office. Clearly the Reds organization has missed the mark over the past 15 years and Reds fans are paying the price again this year. The Reds are in a small market. They can not afford salary mistakes and they must sign and develop young talent. Firing GM’s and Managers every 3 years won’t work. It never has.

By Broadway

June 19, 2008 5:45 PM | Link to this

I will pray for a “crippled” offense— as in “get em on, get em over, get em in”! As in making “contact”!

By Y-City Jim

June 19, 2008 4:59 PM | Link to this

Riccardi’s comments were out of line. Obviously he is not an OBP guy, which may be another reason the Totonto offense stinks. Also out of line is Don’s comment that Bruce’s attitude must stink now since he struck out with the bases loaded. Jeesh! We’re all frustrated but let’s attempt to be rational.

By econprof

June 19, 2008 4:52 PM | Link to this

Riccardi’s comments are way out of line. It is inappropriate for him to criticize Dunn’s character or commitment to his career. We have to recognize Adam for who he is: a .240 hitter who annually contributes 40+ HRs and 100+ rbis. He walks a lot and strikes out a lot. He is a weakness in the sense that he can’t be counted on to get the bat on the ball as needed (e.g., to advance a runner). He’s a mediocre fielder and baserunner. The problem is that signing Dunn to an extension will cost $12+ million annually. This limits what else the Reds can accomplish with the rest of their payroll. If Dunn becomes a free agent, however, then I don’t think he’ll get nearly this much (there is some truth to Riccardi’s remarks, and I don’t think the Reds have been offered very much when they’ve tried to trade Dunn). A problem for the Reds is that Dunn’s true worth will only be made clear if he goes on the market. He reminds me of Sean Casey when the Reds signed him to multiyear contract 5 or so years back: the Reds paid Casey more than any one else would, and they ultimately found an acceptable substitute (Hatteberg) at a much lower price. I think there would be less criticism of Dunn if he made $5-6 million a year. The Reds are limited in their payroll, and it really must be questioned whether so much money (i.e., $12 million plus annually) should be tied up in a player who has such great strengths and weaknesses.

By Mike

June 19, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this

Reds fans complain about everything. If Dunn hit .320 with 10 hrs and didn’t walk much, he would get blasted for having no power and lacking patience. How do I know this? Remember Sean Casey? The Reds offense will be crippled in 2009 without Dunn.

By Broadway

June 19, 2008 4:20 PM | Link to this

I made the comment LAST YEAR about Adam Dunn not bending his knees when leading off first base! I pointed out that he was no threat to steal, or advance safely, if he was not ready to run. It is difficult, I pointed out,to do ANYTHING in sport—without your knees bent{running/bowling/Shooting a basketball/Quarterbacking/Playing tennis/Hockey}!It was suggested to me by the hofamer, jokingly, that the 6’6” 280 pounder would bend my knees, if I were to suggest this to him! I have noticed this year he has actually, bent his knees—but it hardly ever happened last year—he was too busy talking and laughing with Billy Hatcher! I kid you not. I have said from day one—he is no leftfielder—he has demonstrated time and again, a lack of hustle, not to mention ability, defensively. The recent comments from the GM{although not very professional}are fitting for more than Adam Dunn in my opinion. Others on this team, whether held together by “bolts” pins, or whatever; are just as guilty of a lack of hustle—now and long before serious injuries occurred! Problem is: the shoe fits! No one likes to admit the truth, if it is pointed out to them. What I don’t like: is getting ripped off when I purchase a ticket to see professionals perform—and they don’t!Now the blame can also be placed on management for playing their lazy a$$, as well. Dunn/Griffey stand out in my mind—but, there are others!What pisses me and others off is the fact, that we pay hard earned money to watch what seems, more and more, to be a joke to some players! Got my money—so what!

By Michael

June 19, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this

Give it a few years? It’s been 8 years now. It’s already been too long, and getting longer all the time.

By NR

June 19, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this

As a Reds fan living in FL it has been an all to easy transition to becoming a Rays fan this year. What do the Rays do well?… pitching (2nd in the AL), Defense (1st in AL), stolen bases (1st in AL)… offense ranks 9th last time I checked. Why bring this up? Speed and Defense aren’t streaky… its the foundation of the ballclub, and its a foundation built on fundamentals and being aggressive. This starts with Spring training and managment putting the right attitude in place… i.e. the Rays scrapping with BoSox and Yankees… you have to to compete in the AL East. To bring it full circle the Reds simply dont appear to be playing as a team… its not fun baseball to watch. The nucleus is there, but the chemistry just isnt in the cards this year. Give it a few years… Baker is a proven winner and so is the new GM… some of this stuff starts at the top and has to trickle down… It took the new Rays ownership 3-4 years to change the attitude… may be the same timeframe for the Reds, unfortunately. for fun a couple predictions: 1) Cardinals will overtake the Cubs in 2nd half. 2) Rays make AL wild card… beating out Oakland.

By Don Hoak

June 19, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this

Bruce just struck out with the bases loaded. Didn’t take long for the attitude of mentors Griffey & Dunn to infest this young man’s mind. They’ll ruin him, too, along with the rest of the team.

By JRed

June 19, 2008 2:44 PM | Link to this

Is Bob Davidson the worst balls and strikes ump in MLB? While the Reds probably could have found a way to lose Thursday without him—it appeared that his strike zone was very different for Harang, Stults and, even Mike Lincoln.

By PitchToContact

June 19, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this

Hal, I’ll ask you what I asked John Fay on his blog. Are GMs allowed to publicly criticize opposing players in the press? Do you remember another case like this? Isn’t this a form of negative tampering against a player the Reds might be trying to trade? Why isn’t the Reds front office defending their player? Two years later, they still never received a settlement on the Leatherpants damaged-goods debacle you mentioned. Leadership starts at the top and the Reds seem out to lunch. Of course, its also sad when Dunn goes on the field and proves Ricciardi’s remarks accurate. I’ve seen more fight in the blogs than I have on the field — or in the front office.

By ExactlyEsasky

June 19, 2008 2:23 PM | Link to this

For me, Ricciardi’s comments were a confirmation of what I’ve always feared. Any guy with this much athletic ability who is still terrible at fundamental baseball after 8 years in the pro game… well, you gotta wonder how much he wants it. Dunn may feel bad when he doesn’t succeed or lets his teammates down, but why after all this time is he still such a one-dimensional player? It is possible to improve your game (ask Brady Clark, Norris Hopper, Chris Denorfia, and a thousand others), and when you have as much talent as Dunn appears to have, it’s vexing. The Reds are a bad, bad team right now. 5 guys on pace for 100 K’s, and if Bruce, Ross, and Gonzo were playing regularly, it’d be more. Repulsive.

By Cait

June 19, 2008 2:18 PM | Link to this

I just checked the score online. Geez, even Harang is stinking now.

By AP-FLORIDA

June 19, 2008 2:02 PM | Link to this

WATCHING THE GAME RIGHT NOW…DO NOT SEE MUCH PASSION AND EVEN THE LA AN NOUNCERS ARE MAKING COMMENTS ABOUT REDS SWINGING AT FIRST PITCH, LACK OF COMMUNICATIONS,LACK OF FUNDAMENTALS. LAUGHINGAT HOW EASY IT IS FOR DODGERS IN CINCY. SOMEBODY PLEASE HELP!!!!!!

By Michael

June 19, 2008 2:01 PM | Link to this

Glad to see Dunn is angry. Too bad that, on the field, Ricciardi’s comments appear to be accurate.
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