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By Paul

November 28, 2009 10:07 PM | Link to this

Just watched the documentary about this plant closing, sad. What did shock me was 2 things: 1. Everyone upset it happened, but not a single person taking a positive attitude and doing something about their OWN career. All of them expected to work there till they retired. Nope, welcome to Reality, USA.\ 2. Everyone coming out of the plant is overweight. Not sure but I hear 75% of Americans are overweight. I guess no one was breaking a sweat at the plant building outdated SUV’s.

By dissatisfied customer

January 22, 2009 2:41 AM | Link to this

@ Alice, what children?? I never got to have any because of GM! Let their kids suffer at the hands of yours, around their necks!! Read a book “The Working Life” DR. Joanne Ciulla

By dissatisfied customer

January 22, 2009 2:33 AM | Link to this

Hey I was a poor shlub back in the 70’s when they cheated me on several occasions on cars. I’ve found other ways to get around ever since and never worked a day for any auto industry. Now that I’m retired all I can say is, you made your bed, now lie in it! LET them DIE! They killed plenty of things themselves over the years, some of them yours and mine! I say, its Their turn!

By dissatisfied customer

January 22, 2009 2:26 AM | Link to this

Hey I was a poor shlub back in the 70’s when they cheated me on several occasions on cars. I’ve found other ways to get around ever since and never worked a day for any auto industry. Now that I’m retired all I can say is, you made your bed, now lie in it! LET them DIE! They killed plenty of things themselves over the years, some of them yours and mine! I say, Their turn!

By Joe

December 22, 2008 11:36 AM | Link to this

Hi, I’m trying to get a tour of the GM Moraine Assembly plant. Does anyone know of contact information so I can take a tour before the plant is shut down. Thanks.

By Wordell

December 21, 2008 8:04 AM | Link to this

Denial of anything GM and their employees have done wrong reminds me of the A&E show “Intervention”. Facts and truth are evident in this case of GM failure. GM & Toyota produced 9.3 million vehicles each world wide in 2007. Why did GM loose 38 billion, and Toyota make over 17 billion on these sales? Can anyone do the math? Any lights going on now that it’s too late shine any light? Germans reacted the same way after the war. “I didn’t know, I didn’t do it, It’s a lie, THEY caused it.”

By GM Stucks

November 7, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this

Not the assemblers on the line fault, but they sure take the brunt of the closing.

Basically, GM has been building crap for years. Oversized hackey mom (tribute to Palin) carrying SUVs made for one female. GM has no automobiles worthy of buying either. The company really does need to go under.

By Jeff

September 30, 2008 9:04 AM | Link to this

There is a terrible price to pay for the unfair trade we are being subjected to.

I hope your Hondas and Toyotas are worth the terrible suffering they are causing thousands of people.

Your house will go down in value because of this as well.

Not to mention… they will have to raise taxes in many areas to make up for lost revenue from the loss of the GM jobs in this area.

How many GM and Delphi jobs have we lost now? 15000? 20000? More than a billion dollars in direct payroll lost

By Janesville

September 13, 2008 12:44 AM | Link to this

They have GM haters in Wisconsin, too. I think it some type of weird socialist jealousy that drives the hate.

A large part of the corporate troubles that the domestic automakers are having is due to people buying foreign brands. When whole cities are destroyed due to plant closings, be sure and ask the import buyers if they are happy now.

By the way, I am not a GM employee.

By Jeff

August 6, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this

R”ivethead: Tales From The Assembly Line”

That book is completely outdated and the jobs now are nothing like that book suggests. 20 years ago the factories were a mess with drunks and lazy people but it is nothing like that now. Perceptions of the domestic plants are WAY behind.

If you so much as drop a bolt … on some of the assembly jobs… you can’t finish the vehicle and have to call for help.

By danny

August 3, 2008 7:04 PM | Link to this

Do any of you so called intelligent people know what a toyota or honda employee earns. Do they have benefits and what are their pensions like? It seems odd that everyone knows what a GM employee earns etc. but NOTHING SAID ABOUT THE INFERIOR TWO. I think most of you that are anti-GM are envious and perhaps a little disturbed that it isn’t you earning the money. The employees work hard. You on the other hand may have a cushy job, or no job. Sitting at work typing emails at your employer’s expense

By sandra

August 3, 2008 7:03 PM | Link to this

Do any of you so called intelligent people know what a toyota or honda employee earns. Do they have benefits and what are their pensions like? It seems odd that everyone knows what a GM employee earns etc. but NOTHING SAID ABOUT THE INFERIOR TWO. I think most of you that are anti-GM are envious and perhaps a little disturbed that it isn’t you earning the money. The employees work hard. You on the other hand may have a cushy job, or no job. Sitting at work typing emails at your employer’s expense

By sandra

August 3, 2008 7:03 PM | Link to this

Do any of you so called intelligent people know what a toyota or honda employee earns. Do they have benefits and what are their pensions like? It seems odd that everyone knows what a GM employee earns etc. but NOTHING SAID ABOUT THE INFERIOR TWO. I think most of you that are anti-GM are envious and perhaps a little disturbed that it isn’t you earning the money. The employees work hard. You on the other hand may have a cushy job, or no job. Sitting at work typing emails at your employer’s expense

By danny

July 22, 2008 12:24 AM | Link to this

To “I Hate GM”, first of all your name indicates your intelligence. Secondly, if GM has been peddling junk for 30 years, why has it lasted so long? Have you ever seen an older GM vehicle from the 50’s or 60’s. It is really something to admire. I don’t recall ever seeing any classic Hondas or Toyotas. Get realistic and write something sensible next time. Unfortunately it is people like you that are giving Toyota and Honda owners a bad reputation.

By danny

July 22, 2008 12:23 AM | Link to this

To “I Hate GM”, first of all your name indicates your intelligence. Secondly, if GM has been peddling junk for 30 years, why has it lasted so long? Have you ever seen an older GM vehicle from the 50’s or 60’s. It is really something to admire. I don’t recall ever seeing any classic Hondas or Toyotas. Get realistic and write something sensible next time. Unfortunately it is people like you that are giving Toyota and Honda owners a bad reputation.

By danny

July 19, 2008 9:47 PM | Link to this

Bob: you seem to have an awful lot to say, especially regarding loyalty and warmest feelings towards business??? Perhaps you have had bad experiences in the past with the BIG THREE. But one thing I do know for sure, I have always bought GM vehicles and will continue to do so. I have always been treated with respect and when it comes to service, I have been treated very well. The sales people are curtious and I never felt pressured. Go ahead and buy second best, a Toyota or Honda - Good Luck.

By Bob

July 19, 2008 7:45 PM | Link to this

BUY WHAT AMERICA BUILDS

Why should anyone in the USA be loyal or even buy a Ford, Chrysler, or GM car?

The Big #3, soon to be the lesser three hasn’t worried whether or not U.S. customers buy their product, nor do they care if the American worker even survives.

Loyalty is a Two way street and the Big Three are headed out of town on it like an expressway.

They would like to bash their counterparts, but in reality the foreign cars are now American made and the American cars are now Foreign made. Duh…………..!!!

At least the foreign car makers are investing in the American Worker; at least they will have a place to work.

The Quicker the” Big Three” leaves the Faster the so called imports will sell. After all the foreign Manufacturers are investing in the American Worker.

I hate it. It’s a shame. It’s reality. It’s free enterprise, survival of the smartest, biggest and best. It’s Truth, Justice, and the American Way.

We used to do business in this country with the Country and its people in mind. Now it’s the Big Threes contention that the World Market is more important than keeping our Country Strong.

It’s only GREED and Greed does bite back.

My next NEW vehicle will not be decided upon if the Big Three built it; it will be decided upon who offers me the warmest feeling toward business and its Loyalties to me.

They have alienated me to their cause, I just hope the U.S. behemoths wake up and smell the exhaust, open the windows and reach out for help.

Become aware that other countries want to make money and are willing to invest in AMERICA.

Give Americans Jobs and treat them with RESPECT. They will buy your product.

Ain’t it a shame that Foreign Companies are more American than their American Counterparts?

Ain’t it a shame that Foreign Manufacturers are investing more in the American worker than Ford, Chrysler and GM.

Instead of blaming the American worker for all of their contrived problems, why not embrace the American worker and learn from the competition. Rather than bash the American Worker, Move the Plant, and diversify to sell where our competitors live.

Why not figure out what the Foreign Companies have figured out. Americans are Loyal and will be Loyal as long as they are a part of the loop.

Maybe, Just Maybe this is why Toyotas and Honda are passing American Manufacturers (LOL) in sales.

Wake up American Manufacturers!

The Competition thinks about profitability 20 years down the road, not what the Stock Market return will be 20 seconds from now. Convince the stockholders it’s in their best interest to invest in the people at home not abroad. It’s about winning back the American market through LOYALTY. It makes the return larger and sweeter and instills the American worker with confidence in their product.

You can build a competitive product. You can even build a better product than your competition, but without Loyal Customers you will only sell them once. Loyal customers come back and they tell their friends, neighbors, and co-workers.

Loyalty of the people built this Great country, Loyalty to your Companies built them too. Why not be loyal to the people.

Sincerely, Bob (one of the people)

P.S. I sold American automobiles and trucks for 30+ years and I was LOYAL to my Customers and my Products.

By Bob

July 19, 2008 7:43 PM | Link to this

I wrote this when the first round of employee buyouts were taking place and it holds true now even more so!

BUY WHAT AMERICA BUILDS

Why should anyone in the USA be loyal or even buy a Ford, Chrysler, or GM car?

The Big #3, soon to be the lesser three hasn’t worried whether or not U.S. customers buy their product, nor do they care if the American worker even survives.

Loyalty is a Two way street and the Big Three are headed out of town on it like an expressway.

They would like to bash their counterparts, but in reality the foreign cars are now American made and the American cars are now Foreign made. Duh…………..!!!

At least the foreign car makers are investing in the American Worker; at least they will have a place to work.

The Quicker the” Big Three” leaves the Faster the so called imports will sell. After all the foreign Manufacturers are investing in the American Worker.

I hate it. It’s a shame. It’s reality. It’s free enterprise, survival of the smartest, biggest and best. It’s Truth, Justice, and the American Way.

We used to do business in this country with the Country and its people in mind. Now it’s the Big Threes contention that the World Market is more important than keeping our Country Strong.

It’s only GREED and Greed does bite back.

My next NEW vehicle will not be decided upon if the Big Three built it; it will be decided upon who offers me the warmest feeling toward business and its Loyalties to me.

They have alienated me to their cause, I just hope the U.S. behemoths wake up and smell the exhaust, open the windows and reach out for help.

Become aware that other countries want to make money and are willing to invest in AMERICA.

Give Americans Jobs and treat them with RESPECT. They will buy your product.

Ain’t it a shame that Foreign Companies are more American than their American Counterparts?

Ain’t it a shame that Foreign Manufacturers are investing more in the American worker than Ford, Chrysler and GM.

Instead of blaming the American worker for all of their contrived problems, why not embrace the American worker and learn from the competition. Rather than bash the American Worker, Move the Plant, and diversify to sell where our competitors live.

Why not figure out what the Foreign Companies have figured out. Americans are Loyal and will be Loyal as long as they are a part of the loop.

Maybe, Just Maybe this is why Toyotas and Honda are passing American Manufacturers (LOL) in sales.

Wake up American Manufacturers!

The Competition thinks about profitability 20 years down the road, not what the Stock Market return will be 20 seconds from now. Convince the stockholders it’s in their best interest to invest in the people at home not abroad. It’s about winning back the American market through LOYALTY. It makes the return larger and sweeter and instills the American worker with confidence in their product.

You can build a competitive product. You can even build a better product than your competition, but without Loyal Customers you will only sell them once. Loyal customers come back and they tell their friends, neighbors, and co-workers.

Loyalty of the people built this Great country, Loyalty to your Companies built them too. Why not be loyal to the people.

Sincerely, Bob (one of the people)

P.S. I sold American automobiles and trucks for 30+ years and I was LOYAL to my Customers and my Products.

By sherry

July 16, 2008 5:32 PM | Link to this

I agree 100% with Danny and everyone else that thinks people who continue to buy foreign cars and support their economy should go over there and live. And oh yeah-THAT GOES ESPECIALLY FOR ALL OF THE AMERICAN AUTO WORKERS THAT DRIVE THEIR FOREIGN AUTOMOBILES TO AN AMERICAN PLANT THAT IS NOW SHUTTING DOWN. SHAME ON EVERYONE THAT BUYS THEIR CARS!

By Ex GM/Delphi/Now GM Employee

July 16, 2008 5:04 PM | Link to this

Use your Trade Adjustment Assistance and go to school. I hired in at GM 11 years ago, then they spun us off into Delphi and shut us down. It’s been good but looks like the ride is over. I’m going to stay positive, finish school, and hop on the next ride. I used to let the posts people put on this website get me down. Then I came to the realization that they are just upset they they missed out on the oppourtunity we had. To earn a good living and enjoy life as well as family. Good luck!

By murphy

July 16, 2008 12:59 PM | Link to this

Why should a registered nurse make 100k at year?

By mike

July 16, 2008 12:51 PM | Link to this

Remember when NCR shut down it’s manufacturing facility? That’s when I realized that Dayton was finished. Here’s great book for Daytonians Reinventing Collapse: The Sovier Example and American Prospects by Dmitry Orlov. It shows how Russians survived after their economy collapsed

By paper

July 15, 2008 8:50 PM | Link to this

You didn’t think this ride was going last for ever did you?Years of union abuse,strikes,really bad quality control, rember the 80’S?, has cought up it’s time to move to where the jobs are.Make sure that when you leave do not I repeat do not bring your unions with you leave them where they buried you.Florida may not have very high wages and they do not build many car or trucks but there is always work to be had

By sandra

July 10, 2008 5:48 PM | Link to this

To big red caddy: I think your negative GM comments may pertain to yourself. GM Oshawa #2 plant won its gold plant quality award for the second consecutive year. Meaning, it produced vehicles with the fewest defects among car and truck plants in North and South America. You shouldn’t believe everything you hear, unless you perhaps one of the individuals. Also, you can look back and find pictures of quality vehicles (GM)built. I don’t see any toyota or hondas.

By sandra

July 3, 2008 1:53 PM | Link to this

Check out the site, Toyota workers are demanding a wage increase and paid overtime. What????

By door hanger

July 3, 2008 6:27 AM | Link to this

..over looked. some guy on here said frigidaire workers bragged about being high. who didn’t do drugs in 60’s and 70’s?? sure alot of workers did then. everyone who posts something bad about Moraine Assembly, why do you blame workers for pay? If your company had the money to you more, wouldn’t you want more pay? Or would you say, Naaah, i make just the right amount of money. Good luck GM Moraine employees.. miss alot of you guys…

By door hanger

July 3, 2008 6:21 AM | Link to this

i left in 2006. i had a feeling this day was coming. believe me guys it’s rough to start over. but i did, you guys will find another job, not the same pay or benefits. i got lucky and found a job with decent pay and good benefits. use your free schooling, like i currently still am doing. the people who knock us, yes i said us because i am still a gm guy, are the ones who never worked here, the ones would couldn’t pass drug tests, or the ones who tried to get in here when it was good, and gm….

By I told you so!!!

July 3, 2008 5:02 AM | Link to this

Well if its’ any consolation, they may all lose thier jobs with the stock below $10.00 a share. Hey back in 2003/4 I was told by the Union this plant was going to close, people out there laughed at me, said I was crazy.

I don’t hear any laughter now, matter of fact, it’s pretty darn quite.

By danny

July 2, 2008 6:28 PM | Link to this

To all of you with negative GM comments. Here is an idea. If Japan makes such an excellent product(vehicle), why don’t you leave and make your home there.I heard the pay is great, cost of living exceptional, therefore improving your lifestyle immensely. Also, then we can get rid of the negative anti GM comments and proceed to turn our economy around. Thank you for supporting your country.

By Anthony B

July 1, 2008 11:39 AM | Link to this

I worked at Inland on the west side as a contract eng. The boiler operators there have a yearly competition to see who breaks 100,000 dollars first. The winner is announced, usually, in May. That person will probably make 260,000 dollars that year. Spoiled; YES. Coming to an end? Yes. The skilled workers at GM plants have and or will help destroy GM. Go Toyota.

By danny

June 26, 2008 11:24 PM | Link to this

To the people with the negative comments regarding GM closures. Perhaps what you need to do is to go to bed early, have a good night’s sleep.In the morning wake up and write something worth reading. Most of you repeat what you have heard but have not actually researched. By the way, I saw a lovely Gas Guzzler the other day, it was a foreign vehicle. Ya they make them too. Who would have thought.

By Dixon

June 26, 2008 3:27 AM | Link to this

Sorry, The Title to the book is Rivet Head Tales from the Assembly Line !

By Dixon

June 26, 2008 3:22 AM | Link to this

Hey, just get the book and read it its called Tales From The Assembly Line !There is your answer !!!

By Bill

June 13, 2008 11:37 PM | Link to this

Miss Cleo you could’nt last 4 hours working at GM on a assembly line so dont say the money is to good till ya worked your a*s off for that wage. Trust me we work for our money. Just chase a few trucks down the assembly line, Then talk your talk

By Bill

June 13, 2008 7:19 AM | Link to this

I went threw the same thing same place in 1979 when Frigidaire close. There’s not much you can do but move on and hope that they finally decide to put a new car in the plant.

By John

June 11, 2008 4:35 AM | Link to this

to “the big paw”, I won’t assume that you own a house but if you do, ask yourself is the value of your home increasing? I would venture to say no. I do realize the economy may have an impact on that as well but believe me moron even when the economy rebounds the vallue of your home won’t increase to the level if this plant was in operation, Delphi plants still operating and if and when DHL closes. You are of the minority and aren’t worth my time pointing these things out!!!!!!

By John

June 11, 2008 4:26 AM | Link to this

Most of the posts that I have read on this thread actually realize the dynamics of a facility of this size closing and the impact that it will have in the surrounding communities. I must identify the moron “the big paw” and that is a fitting discription for you, as a person that is just clueless to what is not only going on at the Truck Plant but the area in general. I assume that you live nearby and at some point notice the jobs that have been lost in the last 5 years in this area.

By An ex GM man

June 11, 2008 1:48 AM | Link to this

I don’t know if any one has noticed but the new cross over vehicles that get so much better gas mileage than the trailblazer. has anyone actually looked at the gas mileage they only get 2 miles more per gallon city and highway, but they cost $10,000 more they tow 2000 lbs less but Rick and the boys keep pushing this junk down our throat sorry I think I will take my $140,000 and buy a Hyundai I am not giving another dime to that … GM keeps wanting to pay the so called CEO for loosing money.

By mrbyron

June 7, 2008 11:26 PM | Link to this

When i was little Dayton, was great place to raise a family now no body knows any more; their were times when employees use to get over time for their hard work. Oh by the way What ever happen to the American voice such as for the people by the people or did the politicians take that away as well. The republication and democrats need to work together and solve our economic differences maybe just, maybe will have some hope and put our workforce back together.

By Electricain

June 7, 2008 8:41 PM | Link to this

Moraine Assembly one of the best plants GM has. Best work force they can ask for. Willing to work with anyone. And they still closeing it. Why Why Why ??????????????????

By Electricain

June 7, 2008 8:40 PM | Link to this

Moraine Assembly one of the best plants GM has. Best work force they can ask for. Willing to work with anyone. And they still closeing it. Why Why Why ??????????????????

By Dayton is dust in the Wind

June 7, 2008 10:36 AM | Link to this

What is Dayton or Montgomery Co politians doing to keep buisness here at home. Cut them a tax break to keep jobs here. 11 million buisness gone from the Dayton area, Why did the Trap Shooting competition in Vandalia have to leave the area, ask your local politicians that could of changed policies to keep them here. In 1903 Dayton was know for the city of 100 inventions, 100 inventions with patents pending at that time. Now it’s 2008, what is your Dayton known for nothing, “DAYTON IS DEAD”.

By ;KLSJDAF

June 5, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this

I hate to say it but George Bush created more jobs than the current IUE leadership. way to go J C what a staff you have

By Reading5300

June 5, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this

Sad to say but with Oil Prices through the roof I am suprised it has not happened sooner. If GM would have had a little forsight and made the SUV’s produced there more fuel efficient or made hybrids there, it could have been saved. Speaking of oil, we can’t drill our way out of this one, your only delaying the inevitable and our children will be the ones to suffer. We need an alternative now, or 100 mile/gallon cars and trucks.

By I Hate GM

June 5, 2008 2:20 AM | Link to this

Sorry folks, you’ve been toiling for a loser. GM has been peddling junk for over 30 years and have remained absolutely clueless to what the people REALLY want & what the trends are. Don’t agree? Then why is this happening? They are corrupt and morally bankrupt, run by a bunch of hedonistic wealthy criminals who detest the working man and his unions and are only out for themselves. GM sucks worst of all the American auto companies. GM invented built-in obsolescence. Arrogant b@stards!

By Dan Hoover

June 5, 2008 2:06 AM | Link to this

Worked at Dayton Tire for 11 years. Life goes on. Moraine plant closes say 2010? You have 2 years to get a degree at Sinclair. At least a start, so go for it boys and girls.

By Jim

June 4, 2008 9:06 PM | Link to this

Its sad to see this happen, but folks how can you continue to build suv’s in a $130 dollar a barrel oil economy. What Dayton needs, is invest in bringing in companies that think long term and deal with energy independence in mind. The next big revolution is going to be getting off of fossil fuel. I think Dayton and Ohio should be making steps in becoming the leaders in these fields.

By Freezin

June 4, 2008 5:58 PM | Link to this

I feel sorry for the workers that will be affected by this announced plant closing. At least some of them are being offered the buyouts.

As stated by others on this forum, the writing has been on the wall for a long time. Every large unionized industry in this country is going away and the jobs aren’t coming back. I grew up in NW Indiana, and what is happening now in Dayton happened in Indiana 30+ years ago. Of all the steel mills along the south shore of Lake Michigan, only a few remain.

By snl

June 4, 2008 5:45 PM | Link to this

In 2003, we purchased a Chevy Tracker small suv. Better mileage and warranty than a traditional General Motors suv. (A tracker is actually a suzuki).
Our next vehicle may be either a Cooper mini, Smart Car, or perhaps a Chevy Aveo. More than likely it will be a foreign vehicle. GM made the mistake of making gas hogs. Why were no lessons learned from the 70’s gas crisis? The Japanese, Koreans and Europeans have been making fuel efficient vehicles for decades.

By Sick and tired

June 4, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this

If there is ANY justice, there’s a special place in hell for each and every greedy & corrupt CEO & executive who has fleeced the public and stolen such grand sums while riding a company into failure and loss that costs thousands of jobs of hard-working Americans. Just like there is hopefully a special place in hell for a president who costs thousands of young lives to serve his lying dishonest ways and rides his country into financial chaos while cutting taxes for his rich elitist pals.

By Herkin

June 4, 2008 3:07 PM | Link to this

This is how the top GM execs give themselves pay raises, buy throwing 10’s of thousands of their employees out on there butts?

By lesley

June 4, 2008 2:56 PM | Link to this

I’m looking for someone to write a paid blog post on the plant closing, preferably someone connected to the auto industry who can give a different perspective than the one we usually get (we’re an autos site). Email me for details. thanks.

By Herkin

June 4, 2008 2:55 PM | Link to this

General Motors Corp. Chairman and CEO Rick Wagoner’s compensation rose 18% in 2007 to $6.6 million, and the company said Friday it was raising the salaries of Wagoner and other top executives this year.

In a filing with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, GM said Wagoner’s base salary rose from $1.28 million in 2006 to $1.56 million in 2007, and the company gave him $2.56 million in stock, along with $1.8 million in long-term incentives and $697,000 in other compensation.

The automaker also made an adjustment to Wagoner’s retirement plan that added $4 million to its value. But the company said in a note that his future retirement benefits would actually decrease because of a change in his retirement age. GM also gave Wagoner options on 500,000 GM shares that had a book value of $3.8 million, but whose actual value will depend on GM’s share price. Wagoner did not cash in any stock options last year.

GM said the payments reflect “significant progress in improving the overall competitiveness of our business over the past few years.”

Wagoner has spent the past few years trying to slash costs at GM and return its North American automotive business to profitability. While last year’s $38.7-billion loss was due mostly to a bookkeeping change, the company was still losing money and burning through cash.

Analysts have said while GM is further in its turnaround than Ford Motor Co., a full recovery still seems at least a year away, despite well-received new vehicles such as the Chevrolet Malibu and a trio of crossover models.

Wagoner had taken a pay cut in 2006, ahead of negotiations with the UAW that resulted in a historic shift of more than $50 billion in retiree health care costs from GM’s balance sheet to a union-run trust. The savings from that shift are expected to kick in around 2010.

GM said it had raised the base salaries of Wagoner, GM President Fritz Henderson and Vice Chairman Bob Lutz for 2008. Wagoner’s salary is now $2.2 million, while Henderson’s salary was boosted to $1.8 million from $1.3 million. Lutz’s salary was set at $1.75 million, up from $1.3 million.

Henderson’s total 2007 compensation rose 44% to $5.2 million, while Lutz’s total package grew 36% to $4.6 million. Each executive was also granted 250,000 stock options.

GM also said in the proxy that E. Neville Isdell, chairman and CEO of Coca-Cola Co., had been nominated by the company to join the board of directors.

Contact JUSTIN HYDE at 202-906-8204 or jhyde@freepress.com.

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June 4, 2008 2:45 PM | Link to this

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Wagoner’s pay up 18% GM raises compensation of top execs in 2007 BY JUSTIN HYDE • FREE PRESS WASHINGTON STAFF • April 26, 2008

Print this page E-mail this article Share this article: Del.icio.us Facebook Digg Reddit Newsvine What’s this? General Motors Corp. Chairman and CEO Rick Wagoner’s compensation rose 18% in 2007 to $6.6 million, and the company said Friday it was raising the salaries of Wagoner and other top executives this year.

In a filing with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, GM said Wagoner’s base salary rose from $1.28 million in 2006 to $1.56 million in 2007, and the company gave him $2.56 million in stock, along with $1.8 million in long-term incentives and $697,000 in other compensation.

The automaker also made an adjustment to Wagoner’s retirement plan that added $4 million to its value. But the company said in a note that his future retirement benefits would actually decrease because of a change in his retirement age. GM also gave Wagoner options on 500,000 GM shares that had a book value of $3.8 million, but whose actual value will depend on GM’s share price. Wagoner did not cash in any stock options last year.

GM said the payments reflect “significant progress in improving the overall competitiveness of our business over the past few years.”

Wagoner has spent the past few years trying to slash costs at GM and return its North American automotive business to profitability. While last year’s $38.7-billion loss was due mostly to a bookkeeping change, the company was still losing money and burning through cash.

Analysts have said while GM is further in its turnaround than Ford Motor Co., a full recovery still seems at least a year away, despite well-received new vehicles such as the Chevrolet Malibu and a trio of crossover models.

Wagoner had taken a pay cut in 2006, ahead of negotiations with the UAW that resulted in a historic shift of more than $50 billion in retiree health care costs from GM’s balance sheet to a union-run trust. The savings from that shift are expected to kick in around 2010.

GM said it had raised the base salaries of Wagoner, GM President Fritz Henderson and Vice Chairman Bob Lutz for 2008. Wagoner’s salary is now $2.2 million, while Henderson’s salary was boosted to $1.8 million from $1.3 million. Lutz’s salary was set at $1.75 million, up from $1.3 million.

Henderson’s total 2007 compensation rose 44% to $5.2 million, while Lutz’s total package grew 36% to $4.6 million. Each executive was also granted 250,000 stock options.

GM also said in the proxy that E. Neville Isdell, chairman and CEO of Coca-Cola Co., had been nominated by the company to join the board of directors.

Contact JUSTIN HYDE at 202-906-8204 or jhyde@freepress.com.

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By The Big Paw

June 4, 2008 2:03 PM | Link to this

The GM’er’s mindset just freakin’ breaks me up! Hysterical! Why does GM ‘owe’ you something beyond the paycheck and great benefits you got for ‘working’? “Oh please GM!!!! Time for you to ‘give back’ to us!”…… HA HA HA!!!!! You got a more-than-reasonable paycheck and better-than-most benefits… And you STILL WANT MORE!!!!! Amazing. The ‘Entitlement’ constituency.

By HuberTucky

June 4, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this

Professional liar & highly-paid corporate stooge Rick Wagoner at GM’s annual meeting of stockholders speaking of plant closings: “These moves are all in response to the rapid rise in oil prices and the resulting changes in the U.S., changes that we believe are more structural than cyclical.” Huh?! Seems none of this had to do with management’s complete lack of foresight and overall incompetence. What exactly is it that guys like Wagoner get these enormous salaries for? Missing the boat? Idiots!

By prdarmymom

June 4, 2008 1:05 PM | Link to this

Hey GM workers I just wanted to say to each and everyone of you. STAY STRONG AND PROUD you guys have done one hell of a job over the years. My prayers and best wishes go out to you and your families. Wishing you the best of luck on your futures.

By WEMR

June 4, 2008 12:51 PM | Link to this

Corporate greed,GM - I’ve worked at the moraine plant for 30yrs.,came to work every day, built a quality product for our customers with great pride.This plant has won quality awards over and over while working under great pressures to perform our duties to GM’s wishes,we have carried the entire GM Corporation many years financially when other plants was losing money for them we were turning a profit and at a time when we need GM to give back to us they turn their back on us and this community

By WEMR

June 4, 2008 12:50 PM | Link to this

Corporate greed,GM* I’ve worked at the moraine plant for 30yrs.,came to work every day, built a quality product for our customers with great pride.This plant has won quality awards over and over while working under great pressures to perform our duties to GM’s wishes,we have carried the entire GM Corporation many years financially when other plants was losing money for them we were turning a profit and at a time when we need GM to give back to us they turn their back on us and this community

By Smitty

June 4, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this

Dayton is a great place to be FROM. I left in 1992 when laid off @ Shopsmith, couldn’t find a decent job in Dayton, and never looked back. Dayton has NOT improved. I moved to the Southwest and found good work, good weather, a progressive attitude, and virtually no rascism. Dayton is truly circling the drain and this is just one REALLY HUGE nail in the coffin…prhaps the final nail depending on whether the “leadership” there can get it together or just turn off the lights on their way out.

By SteveCy

June 4, 2008 12:15 PM | Link to this

Consider this: American auto companies close plants, lay off tens-of-thousands of workers, move plants to foreign soil,and form partnerhsips with Asian companies and others. At the same time, Honda, Toyota, BMW, etc. build modern plants HERE in the USA & provide high quality products with the same American workers. Hmmm…anybody see a trend? The common denominator seems to be American corporate greed, bloated salaries for big shot do-nothings, and an archaic union entitlement mentality.

By william

June 4, 2008 12:13 PM | Link to this

What this area needs to do is move away from blue collar jobs and invest in green collar jobs. Research and manufacturing solar panels, wind turbines and similar alternative energy devices is the future. It would be a good use for the GM plant if it remains closed, or other vacant industrial areas. I would hope that our elected leaders invest some public funds into enticing this growing industry into the area.

By The Big Paw

June 4, 2008 12:12 PM | Link to this

Rather Than whining and blaming the other guy, the brilliant leaders of the great city of Moron should start figuring out what to do with an obsolete industrial plant. I have made several really brilliant suggestions but it appears that no enlightened interest is there. Oh well. It will probably become the biggest crack-house in the nation. Of course, that could be a real peripheral business draw in itself! The tavern / sleazy-bar clientele won’t change much,,,, Gm’er or Crackhead…. Pretty much the same.

By Roger Moore

June 4, 2008 12:01 PM | Link to this

I lived in south dayton in the 50,s 60s & 70s i knew lots of frigidaire & gm workers. many BRAGGED about how high they got at work, lotsa drinking & drugs, working all scrwed up, places they hid & slept & even had sex at work, take incredible amounts of days off + get their doctor to give them lots of meds like quaaludes, and still make $55k driving a forklift + tons of overtime. and the products went from quality to trash. they ragged me for diving a rice burner - sound familiar arnott?

By william

June 4, 2008 11:41 AM | Link to this

I feel badly for the workers who will lose their jobs, but you can’t blame the union. What did they have to do with GM’s leaders deciding to scrap the EV-1 electric car in favor of SUVs and Hummer? GM’s management are the ones to blame, not the workers. I think they should lose their jobs as well since they are responsible for this situation in the first place.

By Jacque

June 4, 2008 11:10 AM | Link to this

I would like to Thank all of you who posted a nice or friendly comment, most of us who work or worked at Truck & Bus appreciate you, and to those of you petty & very jealous lowlife pieces of excrement who post negative comments about us, I would like to remind you that for each & everyone of us who lose thier job 8 of you will also lose your job because of our loss, and if your one of the lucky ones who get to keep your job you will get to pay the taxes that we used to pay, EOM & fu very much

By unemployed

June 4, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this

where were all the city and government officials when 70 jobs are being lost next door at cooper tire? these were actually hard workers that paid toward insurance and didnt have a free ride because of union bosses maybe the gm workers can go on strike to protest the plant closing they do it for every other thing they dont like about their job

By BA

June 4, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this

The world is changing and the US must change with it. When I graduated from high school in Dayton in 1978, only about 25% of my graduating class went to college. There were plenty of high paying jobs in those days for high school graduates. But we can’t expect things never to change. Gas guzzlers are a huge waste of resources and college degrees are mandatory for high paying careers. Unions are wrong to promise jobs for a lifetime. That just isn’t “real life” for the majority of us…

By BA

June 4, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this

The world is changing and the US must change with it. When I graduated from high school in Dayton in 1978, only about 25% of my graduating class went to college. There were plenty of high paying jobs in those days for high school graduates. But we can’t expect things never to change. Gas guzzlers are a huge waste of resources and college degrees are mandatory for high paying careers. Unions are wrong to promise jobs for a lifetime. That just isn’t “real life” for the majority of us…

By HuberTucky - Part 2

June 4, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this

All the while, the Japanese have successfully introduced product that people want, while looking to the future and developing greener cars, like the wildly popular Toyota Prius. American automakers just STILL don’t seem to get it, especiall GM, the company that just a few years ago bought Hummer while gas prices soar. Another genius move by big money guys. But hey, I guess all this boneheaded process of elitist decision making it’s STILL the fault of the unions, not executive hogs at the trough.

By HuberTucky

June 4, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this

DUH! Didn’t the rest of us see this in the 1970s when dealers couldn’t keep VW Rabbits, Dodge Omnis, Plymouth Horizons,Toyotas, Hondas etc. in stock?! The GM braintrust has had their heads in the sand for over 30 years and they just now get it? What direction do they think the American automobile industry has going since the 60s and 70s? Downhill all the way. And their response? Bigger and bigger and thirstier and thirstier products.

By forgiven

June 4, 2008 9:49 AM | Link to this

I am so sorry for the GM workers and pray they find good jobs elsewhere. My dad retired from Moraine City and my mom worked in the exec dining room downtown. It’s a sad day for all as they face the future. My dad took a lot of pride in his worked and retired after 33 years in 1968. He was one of the most intelligent men I knew and hardly ever missed a day of work. Shame on you people glorifying in another’s misfortune. People need encouragement. God Bless you GM workers!

By The Big Paw

June 4, 2008 8:48 AM | Link to this

Congrats to the city of Moraine! Associated Press has declared you a ghost town in the making! You guys actually made the national news! Hmm…. An industrial ghost town / wasteland. What a great movie set for ‘B’ movies!!!!! Maybe you guys can get Robert Rodriguez or Quentin Tarantino to make ‘Night of the living GM’ers ‘! Think of all the bit parts and extras that will be need to play Zombies. And who better to fill those roles than the real thing!!!!!

By prdarmymom

June 4, 2008 8:47 AM | Link to this

Hey cletus the only “turd” that i see is you. As for all you jealous people bitc** about the money that the gm workers make and say they are greedy how many of you are working and on welfare?? what are we on welfare because of the fact we don’t make enough money?? Oh my now shut the he up get your foodstamps and no that its because of the workers at gm and other factories is why you can get your foodstamps and work.

By concerned

June 4, 2008 8:46 AM | Link to this

First off, my heart goes out to all the GM employees and their families. Second, i am really bothered by some of the nasty comments made against them. I am quite sure if you were making that money you could justify it, I know I could. We are all human beings and should not be taking these kind of digs at one another. It does no good to point fingers and take cheap shots, most of these people have children that will suffer too. Remember the golden rule—Treat others as you want to be treated

By william murphy

June 4, 2008 8:23 AM | Link to this

great hello folk of dayton ,ohio,, i was growing up since i was born in dayton , ohio in 1953 ,, i saw that sad news about job places around of dayton ,ohio many yrs ,, it caused lose folk of popultaion of dayon,ohio ,, i found out that in 1975,, i did warned to some folk of dayton,ohio that what happnend will be next for 5 to 35 yrs ago since 1975 ,, i can feel ( esp ) future that dayton will be gone look like rust no job ,, i am sad ,, i live in reynoldsburg, ohio ,,i shock that gov of ohio st

By The Big Paw

June 4, 2008 8:16 AM | Link to this

Hey! How about an industrial theme Casino? The GM’ers could be declared an indigenous Native American tribe. The Moraine plant could then be deeded to them as a reservation. They could work the crap tables and learn to deal black-jack. Hey! They could even sell souvenirs like old GM truck parts!

By cletus

June 4, 2008 7:35 AM | Link to this

I agree this with all you union fellas. This is all GM corporate’s fault. I have an idea, everyone boycott GM to punish corporate and then they will shut down more plants and there will be more complaining and then we can boycott some more. You guys are great. My guess is they couldn’t afford to pay all you screw shooting turds the amount of money you were crying about and still turn a profit against companies like Honda and Toyota. Red you are dumb. Go peel a banana.

By prdarmymom

June 4, 2008 6:46 AM | Link to this

To the GM workers I feel for you workers deepy. I work in Dayton for a supplier to the auto industry and I know we are feeling the crunch to. The one thing that upsets me the most is how GM is closing all these plants and doing all the things they are doing because they are not making money,but yet their top CEO’s and top people are still getting their million dollar bonuses. Go fig.

By Bush supported

June 4, 2008 4:50 AM | Link to this

Hey, Patrick. Gas prices were below $2.00 a gal. before Democratics took over congress. Just thin what a gallon would cost if they win the White House. God forbid.

By Katmandu

June 4, 2008 3:59 AM | Link to this

READ THIS ARTICLE !!!! http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/03/news/companies/taylor_gm.fortune/index.htm

Quoted from the Above article….

”- Retail sales of traditional body-on-frame pickup trucks and SUVs have been falling precipitously for the last three years. According to GM’s own figures, the truck share of the retail sales mix has collapsed by half from around 45% in May 2005. Yet only now is GM announcing the closing of four of its truck plants, and some of them won’t be closed until 2010. What will the retail share of trucks be then? 15%? GM could have stopped building Chevy TrailBlazers at the end of the last millennium, and I don’t think anyone would have noticed. “

By Sarge

June 4, 2008 2:57 AM | Link to this

I’m a ‘born and raised’ Daytonian and worked in a few (then) large industries when I began to see ‘the handwriting on the wall’, being employed at Dayton Tire & Rubber Co. (the plant, which opened in 1905 and was DT&R’s headquarters, closed in 1980 idling approximately 2,000 employees). Dayton was at one time a manufacturing giant, acknowledged and respected the world around as an innovative center of ides in action. My heart, thoughts, and prayers go out to all affected by this tragedy.

By Katmandu

June 4, 2008 2:54 AM | Link to this

WAKE UP PEOPLE !! SUVs are now dinosaurs just like 454 Big Block engines are!

LEARN from what happened to PITTSBURGH people !!!!!

This is the SAME situation they were in back in the 70s with the down fall of the Steel industry!!

Better take action NOW and get back to school!!!

More importantly folks!! You best teach your CHILDREN the IMPORTANCE of an EDUCATION !!

High School diplomas don’t cut it in this society anymore !!!

By boosyb

June 4, 2008 1:19 AM | Link to this

It’s unfortunate that we live in societies that have such ill willed individuals. Being a former Moraine employee I can honestly say that GM employees have earned every dime they made regardless of how they choose to spend it. GM has carried not only the Dayton area but many areas around it. I’m sadden to hear of the plant closure. There are many hard working honest people that will be affected. Instead of using ignorance at a trying time, we all need to pray for guidance and strength.

By Just a boy

June 4, 2008 12:58 AM | Link to this

I feel very sorry for the GM Moraine Plant employees. My heart goes out to you and your families. I know how hard-working people in the auto industry are. My father works at the East Liberty Honda plant, which has seen its share of turbulance from the difficult times that face the auto industry. In my opinion, auto workers are some of the hardest-working, trustworthy, honest people I know. No matter the manufacturer. Who know’s, oil prices could drop again and new product run at Moraine.

By Tom

June 4, 2008 12:17 AM | Link to this

I’m sorry to hear this news.

I own a company making equipment for sewage treatment plants. Columbus had to buy $4 million of equipment that we and 2 other US companies make. Columbus opted to buy from German companies and locked us out. That cost a lot of people in my area the opportunity to work, and gave it to Europeans.

When it was time to buy a new car, I didn’t want to do the same, so I just got a Jeep Wrangler Unlimited made in Toledo. We have to look out for each other.

By teytey

June 3, 2008 11:50 PM | Link to this

I was a teacher in the Dayton area and I used to tell my students to get their education because GM was not going to be there for the rest of their lives. Dayton will become a ghost town with abandoned homes, drugs, and crime if new jobs are not created. This is due to the non-economic policies of George Bush and all the dumb people who voted for him, ie black churches (b/c of the gay thing). Many of you will suffer b/c of that one vote. Goodluck if you get tricked by the Republicans agian.

By Church of Painful Truth

June 3, 2008 11:19 PM | Link to this

This isn’t solely a Dem/Rep influenced event—been developing for over 30 years. Our 535 knotheads bowing down to special interests like the tree huggers is the reason. No drilling for our own energy independence/no new refineries in over 35 years! If the Saudis decide to increase production, it wouldn’t matter—we simply can’t make any more gas than we already do. US/state govts get more from sale of gas than the oil companies. This is what happens when you drink global warming kool-aid!!

By Gus

June 3, 2008 11:12 PM | Link to this

This isn’t solely a Dem/Rep influenced event—been developing for over 30 years. Our 535 knotheads bowing down to special interests like the tree huggers is the reason. No drilling for our own energy independence/no new refineries in over 35 years! If the Saudis decide to increase production, it wouldn’t matter—we simply can’t make any more gas than we already do. US/state govts get more from sale of gas than the oil companies. This is what happens when you drink global warming kool-aid!!

By Miss Cleo

June 3, 2008 10:56 PM | Link to this

Michelle - I did have a chance to work at GM about 10 years ago. I turned it down because I saw the writing on the wall and stayed at my job that I still have today and that I will still have in 2010. I feel bad for you folks but union greed and GM failed you. Economists have been talking about oil prices going up for years and yet GM continued to crank out big SUV’s and trucks that people aren’t buying because they can’t afford to put fuel in them. If I took that job 10 years ago, I would be in the same boat you folks are in and I would be scared.

By GMContractorGeek

June 3, 2008 9:57 PM | Link to this

I have been supporting computer systems at Moraine Assembly for over 8 years and have made many friends among those Union Folks. My heart goes out to every one of them and their families. No doubt the entire region will feel this trickle-down effect on the economy. What really makes me sick is that Mr. Wagoner only mentions one plant closing in Mexico…yet no mention of the dozens of Brand Spanking New GM Plants being built in Mexico, Brazil & all over South America. GM BRING OUR JOBS HOME!

By Mark

June 3, 2008 9:36 PM | Link to this

My heart goes out to the employees who have lost their jobs. Keep your heads up and do not listen to the people who are trying to tear you down on here. It is just a case of jealousy showing its ugly face.
The effects on the area economy will be far reaching. Hopefully something can still be brought into the Moraine plant to ease the losses.

By embarrassed2

June 3, 2008 9:19 PM | Link to this

I live in Florida but was born in Dayton, and I am also embarrassed the way you people are responding to this news. This is part of history for Dayton, My Mother worked at Frigidaire in Dayton. If anyone is to blame it is the government. What happen to standing together and making our country a better place, this isn’t the America I knew growing up! It will hurt everyone even Florida’s tourism. So laugh now if you must be an idiot, but down the road it will be you too.

By embarrassed2

June 3, 2008 9:19 PM | Link to this

I live in Florida but was born in Dayton, and I am also embarrassed the way you people are responding to this news. This is part of history for Dayton, My Mother worked at Frigidaire in Dayton. If anyone is to blame it is the government. What happen to standing together and making our country a better place, this isn’t the America I knew growing up! It will hurt everyone even Florida’s tourism. So laugh now if you must be an idiot, but down the road it will be you too.

By EdMck

June 3, 2008 9:17 PM | Link to this

As one who lost his job in a plant shutdown a few years back, I can tell you from experience that all this finger-pointing is just a waste of time. The jobs are gone and just about everyone in Dayton knew this was coming. You all have families to support and a future to face. Get on the internet and start exploring options. And let’s have none of this crap about being “too old” to learn a new skill. Life is about learning and you don’t quit until you’re checked out. Be a man and face life.

By Michelle

June 3, 2008 8:35 PM | Link to this

Any person who is laughing about Moraine closing is fooling themselves if they think they would not work for the money and benefits we have. Nobody would turn them down AT ALL!!!!

By Alice

June 3, 2008 8:24 PM | Link to this

2000 jobs at $52,000 per year equals $104,000,000 less dollars in the area. That’s $104,000,000 less spent on the economy which will affect every aspect of the community….both the private and public sector. This will affect you and me…and our children. The trickle down effect will be costly. Instead of enjoying the loss of jobs of others, we need to support each other and work toward a unified solution. We owe it to our children and grandchildren. God Bless American and God Help Us.

By red

June 3, 2008 8:18 PM | Link to this

Cletus is a MORON!

By nicole

June 3, 2008 8:16 PM | Link to this

Eveyone should have known this was coming and took the buyouts. Moraine, German Village, etc. will turn into the Ghetto because of this! Shame on you GM!!

By Dennis Gannon

June 3, 2008 7:53 PM | Link to this

Quit your whining get dat a$$ off dat couch and find a job! Sitting there complaining about it doesn’t help any.

By zilla1

June 3, 2008 7:44 PM | Link to this

Just wondering if all the IUE international union reps will still have their 100k jobs when there is no one left to represent? How bout it jimmy clark. Beware of your International union reps. These are the same people that told their membership at delphi to to take the buyout for there was no place for them to flow and had no chance of transfering to UAW plant. I hate to say it but George Bush created more jobs than the current IUE leadership

By maytag repairman

June 3, 2008 7:36 PM | Link to this

maybe they can close the plant for a year, pay all the workers 95% of their pay while they are off, convert the building back into a frigidaire factory

By Miss Cleo

June 3, 2008 7:32 PM | Link to this

First of all, how does an assembly line workers honestly believe they should be earning wages that compare to a college educated teacher? Are you for real?!? I know GM workers who have consistently bought a new car every couple years. I knew a guy that worked there and for the first 10 years, he had free health insurance. He is now paying a portion like most employees in the real world. These Unions are incredulous. They make huge demands and then strike if they don’t get their way. You people need to be sure you thank your union for a job well done. I sure hope the Honda plant up the road is prepared to stick to their guns and keep voting to keep the UAW out like they have for years. Don’t let the overpaid union bosses get in there and screw things up for you. Keep them out and you’ll have your jobs for years to come and you’ll continue to proudly, put a great product out on the road.

And lastly, you don’t “loose” your job, you “lose” your job. Learn English people.

By Chuck

June 3, 2008 7:30 PM | Link to this

Let me guess, Cletus has some of that less expensive than unemployment education. What I’ve seen from higher education is a great many smug idiots, some of which are hired as management by people like GMC, a company that should have known by 2003 or 2004 that they didn’t need to keep building gas hogs, yet they plan to crank out new models of gas hogs in 2010, looks like an El Camino, check it out, it is a testament to their stupidity.

By Ronnie

June 3, 2008 7:12 PM | Link to this

A lot of you simply need to knock it off. First, the plant is in MORAINE, NOT DAYTON. The city of Dayton has nothing to do with this and I’m sorry to say, a majority of the Moraine plant workers live in the suburbs…yes, the suburbs. So all this Dayton bashing is useless. It will affect the entire region whether suburbanites think it will or not. The plant is closing because of high oil prices and low SUV sales, not because of unions and not Dayton. Wake up suburbs! It’s not only about you!

By Kathleen

June 3, 2008 7:11 PM | Link to this

These guys with the put downs about GM are hilarious! You are so entertaining that I may bring my family to your house. You can keep us laughing while we eat your food, drive your car and live in your house since we won’t have jobs anymore. You would not be running your mouth off so much is if it was your child, parent, sibling or friend who lost their jobs.

By downhill

June 3, 2008 7:02 PM | Link to this

Payday loans,the should never have been alowed, it`s loansharking and nothing else, Ted Strickland has been a great gov., you should go after the worthless republican gov. we voted out of office. Get a life/.

By fayfay

June 3, 2008 6:52 PM | Link to this

I do recall that GM was a beautiful place to work, it is so true Dayton will be a ghost town when this happens….everything is gone except hospitals…….I use to live in Dayton and my job was lst also DESC….God bless Dayton and the workers losing their jobs. don’t knock a person/job when they are down…..

By downhill

June 3, 2008 6:50 PM | Link to this

Old Scratch needs to read up on his history. The trade laws the Regan, both Bushs, and yes Bill Clinton told us would be good for us were a disaster. The environmental and labor agreements Clinton wrote in the trade agreements were ignored by the republicans. After seeing what the republicans have done to this country in the last seven years I would be ashamed to call myself a republican. Any union man who votes republican should have his union card pulled.

By Mad

June 3, 2008 6:41 PM | Link to this

My heart goes out to the GM workers, i to understand in a different way because im losing my job to. Along with 7000 others that work for the payday loaning companys. Dayton is falling apart faster and faster, this is a place i sure dont want to rise my child in. All i can say is keep your head up im right here with you.. and by the way gov. ted strickland your a heartless pig. thanks for putting people on unemployment thats just great.

By Wordell

June 3, 2008 6:39 PM | Link to this

You’re losing your jobs in 2010. It is NOW time (in 2008) to circle the wagons, contact family/friends for support(advice, re-training, job leads, food, place to stay when you lose your house ect.). Use local/state/GM help (if offered) to begin starting over. Start over NOW, not 6 months from now. Time will pass more quickly than you realize. You need all the head start you can muster, because when the plant closes, you’ll wonder if what you’ve accomplished is enough. It may not be. Good luck.

By W D B

June 3, 2008 6:37 PM | Link to this

I say let the remaining high tier salary workers take a pay cut to $12:18 per hour. Pay for halfe of there insurance Live like Ihave done for the last 17 years. Then maybe you’LL have something to complaine about. GM workers have lived the life of milk and honey for many years. Theres no reason why a blue collar worker should make $100.000 a year. when the lower tier worker barly makes $30.000 a year

By Old Scratch

June 3, 2008 6:20 PM | Link to this

Anybody left in Dayton have an attention span? Remember Ross Perot? Hear a giant sucking sound? Bill Clinton pushed and signed NAFTA and GATT. Unions support Democrats. I think its hilarious! Maybe the union will give them a ten percent discount on dues till they hit the bricks.

By By Andrew

June 3, 2008 6:17 PM | Link to this

It’s a sad day at the Moraine GM Plant. This a huge economic hit to the city of Dayton and surrounding suburbs. I hope for the best for the workers and their families. But to the guy named By poppawu. Lima, ohio and Dayton, Ohio are not died. Both cities have suffered and yet both cities have very positive things still happening. You think being NEGATIVE is going to want companies to come and stay in your community. Remember Industry is based on the free market not on local economies.

By preacher,franklin,ohio

June 3, 2008 6:05 PM | Link to this

i pray for amiracle geter for jesus put trust in god not gm they will leave you god never will love in chirst preacher.

By ToledoGuy

June 3, 2008 5:47 PM | Link to this

My family moved from Toledo, a city who’s demographics are very similar to those of Dayton. Toledo was faced in the late 1990’s with the closing of their Jeep Cherokee/Wrangler manufacturing facility. That is, until the city government lobbied and won a close battle for an all new facility, which now builds the popular Liberty/Wrangler/Nitro line of vehicles. However, the wages are less and the union had to concede. Lesson: It’s not the end of the world. Moraine needs to sell itself.

By ToledoGuy

June 3, 2008 5:46 PM | Link to this

My family moved from Toledo, a city who’s demographics are very similar to those of Dayton. Toledo was faced in the late 1990’s with the closing of their Jeep Cherokee/Wrangler manufacturing facility. That is, until the city government lobbied and won a close battle for an all new facility, which now builds the popular Liberty/Wrangler/Nitro line of vehicles. However, the wages are less and the union had to concede. Lesson: It’s not the end of the world. Moraine needs to sell itself.

By No Name

June 3, 2008 5:41 PM | Link to this

I feel very sorry for the people who buy a TrailBlazer made on one of today or tomorrow’s shifts. My guess is that most workers are focused on something other than making a well-assembled truck.

By The Doctor

June 3, 2008 5:40 PM | Link to this

edu guy, whenever I see a post like this, I check the guy out at Ebay. When you can buy his course for less than a buck, you know that a lot of his students would like their money back.

As for GM, hey, soon we will be governed by corporations instead of our leaders in Columbus or Washington. Wait till gas hits $8.00 a gallon and there are riots in the streets between the “have’s” and the “have not’s”.

Remember when the price of Coffee doubled? It was a test to see if we would still buy.

By DaytonEscapee

June 3, 2008 5:35 PM | Link to this

Dayton is a skank-hole and this is just another nail in the coffin for the tail-spinning economy of the region. There is no one to blame for the down fall of the Moraine plant other than the labor unions who have over-valued their labor force and lazy, incompetent employees who consistently have produced some of the worst trucks in automotive history. Recent years have been better but it’s a case of too little, too late.

By Jay

June 3, 2008 5:28 PM | Link to this

While this is sad news, I agree wholeheartedly with baileyncreme about the need to see this as an opportunity. I can’t decide what’s more sad - the news about the GM plant or the overall tone of the posts here. In times like these, perhaps more important than anything else is that the community band together and unite. One of Dayton’s greatest strengths is its people, and it’s the perseverance of Daytonians that’ll save the day. Why not build each other up instead of tearing each other down?

By bi g red caddy

June 3, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this

you have to have lived here a long time to know why people are making remarks like these on this board.. years ago when gm was in its heyday, the workers there made big money, did a lot of dope, drunk lots of beer on the job, got more days off than a prom dress and they kind of were the elite of the dayton area blue collar worker, in other words gm workers milked the system for all it was worth. people haven’t forgotten that

By baileyncreme

June 3, 2008 4:57 PM | Link to this

“Where there’s confusion, there’s opportunity.”

Take this time in your professional and personal lives to pursue a new career that is more rewarding. Start a new business, change careers, become a teacher, make positive changes, etc.

I’m saddened to hear of the loss of a plant. Unfortunately the products being assembled were designed to be inefficient and are no longer ffordable to many customers.

By Chuck

June 3, 2008 4:50 PM | Link to this

It’s very sad that the last GM plant will be history in a few short years.. Do we really have an energy shortage ? Is it just Corporate greed ? Why can’t we drill for oil in the United States ? We have become a society dependant on oil produts yet our Government keeps the cash flow to foreign countries flowing and growing stronger. It’s our Government, we the people need to start telling our leaders what we want done. It seems as if our leaders never do the people’s work !!

By GDubya

June 3, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this

You can blame the UAW for this and Congress for taxing GM(and us) to death, it’s no wonder they are going to close the plant. So instead of crying about it, you folks have a year and a half or so to find TRAINING FOR ANOTHER LINE OF WORK!!! Get educated now, find out what you want to do, what you’re good at, and go do it! You are in charge of your own life. Fix it!

By Patrick

June 3, 2008 4:38 PM | Link to this

I argued with Republicans that when you get the oil men in office we will be paying 3 dollars a gallon! Boy was I wrong. Vote republican again and see what happens. I know who to blame for GM’s trouble.

By Disappointed

June 3, 2008 4:36 PM | Link to this

I opened the DDN site at noon to learn the outcome of Rick Wagoner’s press conference and the fate of the GM Moraine plant. I was naturally disappointed about the closing. The economic effects for the area will be staggering. Then I started reading this “blog”. Didn’t know it existed. I have found the comments sad, funny and shameful. I blame auto industry executives for succumbing to ofttimes ridiculous UAW demands, and I blame the UAW for making them. Remember, greed is a terrible thing.

By Froto

June 3, 2008 4:24 PM | Link to this

BIGPAW…As the worm turns, because all your nastiness towards GM Union workers, you will get yours in the end. The trickle effect will kick you square in the pants when Gov. jobs start cutting back…

By Bill

June 3, 2008 4:23 PM | Link to this

Gosh, I left the Dayton area in 1968 and never looked back. There are warmer places to live with better jobs. Look south folks. I hear Mobile, AL is ramping up a new airplane factory to build tankers for the Air Force. That is just one example. Texas has quite an economy that is booming in high tech manufacturing from Dallas to Houston and everywhere in between. Leave the rust belt!! Move south - besides, it is warmer here!!

By daytonNative

June 3, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this

Wow. I don’t know which is more tragic; the fact that thousands of American workers are losing their jobs and their way to support their families, or the fact that most of the comments on this page are so divicive and hateful. My mom worked for years at a GM plant to put me through college. I have nothing bad to say about the employees. Most are hard-workers who don’t deserve to be out of a job. Perhaps the Dayton area can pull together to help them now.

By Spenser

June 3, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this

GM SHOULD BRING A NEW PRODUCT LIKE FUEL-EFFICIENT CARS TO THE MORAINE ASSEMBLY PLANT INSTEAD OF ELIMINATING THOUSANDS OF JOBS AND KILLING THE DAYTON ECONOMY EVEN MORE, GM NEEDS TO RETHINK THEIR DECISION, ALL I SAY IS THEY NEED TO BRING A NEW PRODUCT TO THE PLANT!!!!!

By Gene

June 3, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this

love to say im shocked but im not thanks big oil, green peace/dirt worshipers for say no dont dig for oil in alaska you might hurt a fish thank you to the unions for feeling entitled and gm management for your aragauance and to the village idiots known as city leaders. surely once they announced the delphi plants would be going bye bye every one should have seen the writing that the truck plant was next. blame is like poop best when spread out. glad I left dayton area and moved to new england

By armchair conductor

June 3, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this

No big suprise here, I think we all knew it was coming. Why else would GM be offering to buy everyone out? To shed the excess baggage to soften the impact. Employees are no longer assets — just costly liabilities — whose insurance, pensions and legacy costs erode the companies bottom line. Those costs might keep one of their many executives from being a multi-millionaire, heaven forbid. My sympathies for those who will lose their jobs, I’m glad I’m in a recession proof line of work.

By AVGJOE

June 3, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this

It is impossible to defend Meyer regarding financial fruad. Court records are what they are. What is disputable is the “expert opinions”. $25,000 in capital investments put up against BILLION DOLLAR A DAY enterprises highly motivated to use the system to squash any potential opposition. U.S. Courts are not reliable places to prove or disprove scientific theory. Expert opinions are paid for every day, just as legal opinions can be bought. Don’t underestimate the influence of money, greed, etc.

By flintstone

June 3, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this

congratulations Dayton & Miami valley you are rapidly becoming one big Flint Mi.Just keep voting for the democratic party that loves high gas prices, and hates big business. Just a year ago they enacted cafe rules designed to destroy the suv/truck market. Just remember you are losing your jobs but the planet will be better off. Welcome to the modern democratic party, led by tree hugger nuts, that hates high paid auto workers yet wants your vote.

By SOB

June 3, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this

You people talk about pride ….hmmmmmm no one on here has any pride at all for putting all these GM workers down. Why support all these others countries that tax the U.S coming and going??? But the U.S doesn’t ever tax them when they are in our country. So who is to blame???? That’s right all of us and our wonderful government!!! Our government for letting all these countries walk all over us and us for being so blind!!!!!!

By Moraine worker

June 3, 2008 3:48 PM | Link to this

GM is building a parts plant in TROTWOOD but closing Moraine down what a slap in the face!

By concerned

June 3, 2008 3:43 PM | Link to this

Haha, I can honestly say I’m cracking up reading some of the nonsense ignorant people have posted on here. I’m laughing so hard my co-workers are staring at me as I sit in my little cube in the corner. If people actually put some work and some faith in others and tried to better our area, it might actually happen. Until then please continue to critize everyone over the internet and complain a little harder about something you aren’t willing to change…

By Too Slow

June 3, 2008 3:34 PM | Link to this

City of Dayton moves too slow and is always prepared to fix problems with a bandaid instead of preventing injury to itself. Once again, the City is behind the times by not looking beyond manufacturing in the 80’s to start creating a new job class that would carry us into the future. Same old Same old. Americans now are scrambling- Why because they did not want to face reality. NOT in America. American’s do not want to own up and face change. Change is not always comfortable, but needed.

By remno111223

June 3, 2008 3:32 PM | Link to this

It will take fifty years to develop an alternative to oil. Like it or not, oil is what it will be. Fortunately, we have plenty right here if oil cpmpanies were permitted to drill for it. Not drilling will cost us plenty - probably everything. Maybe when we’re killed off most people and we’re back to the stone age the Red/Greens will be happy. In 1996, inventor Stanley Meyer was sued by investors to whom he had sold dealerships, offering the right to do business in Water Fuel Cell technology. Meyer claimed in court that his invention “opened the way for a car which would ‘run on water’, powered simply by a car battery. The Water Fuel Cell, was examined by three expert witnesses in court who found that there “was nothing revolutionary about the cell at all and that it was simply using conventional electrolysis”. On the basis of the evidence the court found Meyer guilty of “gross and egregious fraud” and ordered to repay the investors their $25,000.

By Embarrased

June 3, 2008 3:27 PM | Link to this

I live in Montana and have to say that I am extremely embarrassed as a retired Air Force veteran on all the negative comments about the GM workers. What has this world come to when we welcome the misery of our fellow man/woman. For all you GM workers, keep you heads up! You were hired by GM because you are a cut above the rest. We wish you all the best and sorry for the ignorance of our “fellow man”

By Nice person

June 3, 2008 3:25 PM | Link to this

Just so everyone is clear, Moraine is not located in the City of Dayton. Moraine is a completely different city. Perhaps if we didn’t have so many jurisdictions in Montgomery County, we could get more done around here. Regionalism is the way to go!

The good news is that a lot of manufacturers have diversified into aerospace and medical products so we have an opportunity to come back as a high-tech community.

Good luck, GM workers! Hopefully you can find new jobs. Best wishes!!

By Curt

June 3, 2008 3:22 PM | Link to this

We need to pray for GM Company and have faith!!!

By Curt

June 3, 2008 3:22 PM | Link to this

We need to pray for GM Company and have faith!!!

By just another idiot

June 3, 2008 3:21 PM | Link to this

Brian,

Excellent comment.

By poppawu

June 3, 2008 3:17 PM | Link to this

A pastor told me this is part of God’s wrath for the City’s “special rights to gays ordinance”! I laughed in his face. If that were the case he would’ve closed down the Oregon District. The nerve of that guy.

By Brian

June 3, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this

The writing has long been on the wall. Dayton is just the latest victim. This puts another nail in the city’s economic coffin. WPAFB will become the primary economic driver to the Miami Valley region. How long can that last? All parties are to blame; US automakers for lacking imagination and foresight; the UAW and autoworkers for an “entitlement mentality”, lack of training process (as done in Europe-Germany)and non-competative wage structures. I left Dayton in 2003 and only miss my friends.

By boro parent

June 3, 2008 3:14 PM | Link to this

When G.M. was going to lay off 3rd shift and enough people took the buy out that they didn’t have to, a few weeks later all Moraine Management got a 4% to 6% raise. So I ask you…Whos to blame!

By joe joe the tireman

June 3, 2008 3:13 PM | Link to this

I can shoot a screw reel gud too. Pay me to shoot some screws. I can do reel gud.

By ooh ooh aah aah

June 3, 2008 3:08 PM | Link to this

Let’s all peel a banana with our toes and sit back and shoot some screws reel gud. Then we can learn how to spell reel gud. After that we can practice our Chinese language lesson.

By poppawu

June 3, 2008 3:08 PM | Link to this

I don’t know about you guys but I strongly feel that getting the creative class to move downtown, The Dayton Dragons, Ballpark Village, Tech Town, and a new convention center front door make ME feel pretty good. As do those painted wooden boards on the front of the abandoned house next door.

By poppawu

June 3, 2008 3:08 PM | Link to this

I don’t know about you guys but I strongly feel that getting the creative class to move downtown, The Dayton Dragons, Ballpark Village, Tech Town, and a new convention center front door make ME feel pretty good. As do those painted wooden boards on the front of the abandoned house next door.

By Disgusted

June 3, 2008 3:07 PM | Link to this

It’s no wonder Dayton is failing…listen to all of the negative crap….why would anyone wish bad on someone else? None of you sound like you have any plans of getting off your butts to help make things better…are you doing what you do best…throwing stones?

I’m very sorry for the GM workers and their families. I also feel for those suppliers and their employees that will also be losing their jobs.

By Shane

June 3, 2008 3:07 PM | Link to this

To HAPPY: WAKE THE *@#! UP..you pompous yuppy.. the UNION is NOT the cause of the downfall of these plants. The Union DOES NOT RUN the company! The union helped to give the workers better wages and benefits that are well deserved. I would love to see you do their work for a day, hang a door 500 x’s a day, throw carpet 500 x’s a day, install engines 500 x’s a day, shoot 7-10 bolts 500 times a day and have less than a minute to do the job in. You wouldn’t last 30 min.

By buckeye forever

June 3, 2008 3:05 PM | Link to this

THANK YOU to all workers of the auto industry. My Father retired from Ford, I married a GM man (luckily Daddy liked him). For all of my life the automobile industry has put food on my table and a roof over my head. Hopefully for a few more years to come. Blessings to our family members and neighbors with jobs up in the air as well as life. I may not live in Dayton today but heart goes out deeply for all this will touch. Dayton will always been a part of me, the good and bad.

By just another idiot

June 3, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this

1. Do you live above your means?
2. Do you live farther than 20 min. to work?
3. Do you shop at Walmart?
4. Would you have trouble finding China on a map?
5. Did you honestly think other counties were not going to grow and need more oil themselves?
6. Do you think countries like Iran and Venezuela should sell us cheap oil?

I could keep going but you get the picture. We are ALL to blame because we have become a self-centered and short-sighted society.

By Compassion

June 3, 2008 3:02 PM | Link to this

This is not about GM. This about the City of Dayton holding onto the past and being a manufacturing town. In the 80’s the City of Dayton needed a plan for growth not stagnation. Instead of pointing fingers, blaming, and judging put that energy into creating and re-creating the future. It does not have to be like this if people were able to get beyond their narrow view points and get involved. Dayton was at one time a city of inventors, creators. Fear either destroys or motivates.

By Savior McLin

June 3, 2008 2:58 PM | Link to this

Not to worry. Our local leaders like McLin will step in and solve the problem. She has done just a wonderful job keep other jobs in the area, reducing crime and making Dayton such a viberant community. I am sure she will step in here and help like she always does.

By just another idiot

June 3, 2008 2:53 PM | Link to this

I see a lot a different factions taking the blame here but very few posters here are taking any individual responsibilty. If you can honestly answer “yes” to any of the following questions you are partly responsible for this situation. ( For the record I can personally answer yes to many of these questions and therefore I am part of the problem also.)

1. Have you ever called in sick when you were not?
2. Are you an executive for GM,Ford,Chrysler? to be continued

By Bubba Stumpy

June 3, 2008 2:42 PM | Link to this

Whats gonna happen to the strip clubs that all the GM workers supported. If dancing is a sport then would the GM workers be known as ATHLETIC SUPPORTERS.

By bob

June 3, 2008 2:40 PM | Link to this

ROCO!

By Kim

June 3, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this

Mr. Poppawu, Be careful of what you wish for. You must be about 22 yrs old to have not yet figured out that this has nothing to do with the neighborhood in which you reside (Washington Township) God doesn’t have a “special place” for people who live in the suburbs. What you wish upon other people, ALWAYS comes back to haunt you. I’ll feel for ya when that happens. Take care.

By dumb monkey line worker

June 3, 2008 2:36 PM | Link to this

Let’s all stop pointing fingers and learn how to spell. Then we can shoot a screw reel gud… Heeee hawwww!

By I used to work there

June 3, 2008 2:32 PM | Link to this

For all of you about to get laid off WIA is taking apps, free job training etc. Go to the Dayton Job Center to check it out.

By Mixed Feelings

June 3, 2008 2:29 PM | Link to this

To all those IUE members that whined, complained, blamed, missed work, did a bad job - I am very pleased you will be out of work. For those that tried, despite your scumbag union and lazy fellow union members, I am sorry for your loss.

By MAD

June 3, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this

Grow up people!!! Good god we all need to stand together to help america!!! Get your heads out of your butts and GROW UP!! Stop pointing fingers!! STAND STRONG!

By Happy

June 3, 2008 2:24 PM | Link to this

The GM worker did not take any pride in their work and the people turned to cars built overseas that had quality. The union ran the plants and GM paid the workers. People with high school eduation were over paid. I am happy that you are closing; you brought it on yourself. Maybe, my GM stock will go up now. The days of bass boats, trips to Florida, big screen TVs and over paid benefits are gone.

By No Espanol'

June 3, 2008 2:20 PM | Link to this

How many UNION members remember when NAFTA was put in place? I believe Bush Sr. negotiated it and Clinton signed it into law. That was the downfall of jobs in the USA. Manufacturing went to Mexico. Mexico is too expensive and have moved to communist China. Next time you go to any store look to see where the crap you are buying is made. NOT IN THE USA. Why did GM & Ford abandon alternative fueled vehicles. They are in bed with OIL. How many are going to afford a $50’000 VOLT from GM in 2 years?

By BIG BOY

June 3, 2008 2:17 PM | Link to this

WHAT DOES AN OUT OF WORK GM EMPLOYEE SAY? “YOU WANT FRIES WITH THAT?”

WE CAN ONLY HOPE THAT THE LOSS OF INCOME WILL CAUSE MANY TO CANCEL THEIR COMPUTER SERVICE AND REDUCE THE HILLBILLY INPUT.

By lol

June 3, 2008 2:17 PM | Link to this

b102 learn to spell!!!

its hard to believe that you work on vehicles at GM. i guess thats why GM vehicles fall apart so quick, because of the uneducated people they hire. i dont know what b102 will do now. maybe an english professor or a proof reader.

laern two spel dumme. weigh too reprezent yoor GM cowerkers.

By Kat

June 3, 2008 2:17 PM | Link to this

How would you all feel if you had to wonder daily how to feed your children? GOD BLESS AMERICA AND THE GM WORKERS! I HOPE AND PRAY EVERYTHING WILL BE OKAY FOR ALL OF YOU!

By b102 is a monkey

June 3, 2008 2:15 PM | Link to this

You are ignorant. You are flaunting your ignorance. Please learn basic spelling before posting… You are a douche…

By matt

June 3, 2008 2:14 PM | Link to this

daytonlifer, you do know that honda and toyota had more recalls then gm? You do know that alot of foriegn cars are biult in the good ol USA now?

By Kat

June 3, 2008 2:12 PM | Link to this

All I have to say is that I am ashamed how this wonderful city is acting like children!!! I can not believe that there are so many so called Americans out there that would whine and complain about american made things and the people that make it just because they are jealous. I am a college grad and they make more than me but you know what WHO CARES!!! I am tired of seeing all of these comments about these workers when they are losing their job. How would you all feel if you lost your jobs?

By Shane

June 3, 2008 2:12 PM | Link to this

Everything leads back to the oil costs, everything has went up in price except for wages for the working class. The CEOS continue give themselves raises so they are covered. We are all headed to become the next new 3rd WORLD COUNTRY, with only 2 classes of people, rich and poor. And to MIKE, take you head out of the CEO’S butt long enough for you to smell the real world..WAKE UP!

By Hugh Jorgan

June 3, 2008 2:12 PM | Link to this

I just sharted…..

By kandy

June 3, 2008 2:11 PM | Link to this

REGARDLESS OF THE REASONS THE FINGER POINTING DOES NOT CHANGE THE HARD TRUTH THAT DAYTON OHIO WILL SOON BE LIKE GARY INDIANA. IF YOU CAN GET OUT GO. FORGET OBAMA AND THANK OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT FOR THIER LACK OF CONCERN.

By beat up bill

June 3, 2008 2:10 PM | Link to this

Hey bill, you sound like a real tough guy on your little keyboard! I know plenty of people that work at gm who are well educated, law-abiding citizens who went to work every day sometimes putting in 12-16 hr days making a quality product. This is terrible news for many families and the city of dayton. If you would like to discuss this a little at a more familiar setting i will gladly accomodate you!

By Moarine Worker

June 3, 2008 2:10 PM | Link to this

As an employee of the Moraine plant for over fourteen years, I would like to allow all the GM bashers to step in the shoes of our employees for about a month and see how it feels do nothing all day as you imply. We are hard working individuals who are not drunks and it is a sad day for more than the employees of our plant. This will effect so many jobs in the Dayton area.

By b102

June 3, 2008 2:10 PM | Link to this

POPAWU IS DUMB!!!! I hope you loose everything you have!

By monkey line workers

June 3, 2008 2:09 PM | Link to this

Ooh ooh aah aah! Monkeys need to learn to spell. It is like seeing posting from little children. I might need to buy a harley in the future, or a big home for real cheap…

By harley man

June 3, 2008 2:08 PM | Link to this

I HOPE GM DOESN’T FAIL. I LIKE MY RETIREMENT CHECK TO MUCH YOURS TRULY HARLEY MAN

By Just my Opinion

June 3, 2008 2:05 PM | Link to this

over your head, meat and bread ont he table, and clean running water. Times are tough people, and for those of you who are happy about this, take heed, your job might be next. Closing down a plant like this, that has assured the jobs of many, will indeed affect many. The time is now for you to place your trust in God. He is the only one who will keep you, prtect you, and provide for you in times like this. Pride comes before a fall, make sure your fall is not so steep, you can’t recover from it.

By Shane

June 3, 2008 2:05 PM | Link to this

WAKE UP PEOPLE!!! The whole reason behind this all is oil costs, and NOBODY should say it is because of the high demand for oil that the costs are so high. We have not changed our demand for oil in the last 8 years, 6 years ago I was buying gas for .97 a gallon. Yes I am right and have the receipts to prove it. Anyway, all we are doing is profiting the Oil Co.s with a huge surplus of money that it is NOT funny anymore.

By worked4yearsatGM

June 3, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this

I worked 4 years at GM. From 1998-2002. I wanted to tell everyone out there that it is very HARD work. I’m sorry you all are losing your jobs. I have a brother who works there. Just put your trust in Jesus.

By poppawu

June 3, 2008 2:02 PM | Link to this

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ! Die Dayton Die! Maybe a greater city will grow from your ashses! Try North Cincy! Greedy unions and clueless and impotent public officials contributed to this demise!Dayton will be just like Lima Ohio when it is all said and done. Dead and struggling! Good riddance to you. Im gonna chill here in Washington Twp and… what? This affects me too??!! Call Mike Turner!!! Where is Boehner? Is Husted home? Let me talk to Rhine? Are my tickets to Rhythm n Shoes still good

By cletus

June 3, 2008 2:02 PM | Link to this

Dang…b102 can’t spell worth a daggone…

Somebody get that feller a book…

By Snoozenomore

June 3, 2008 2:02 PM | Link to this

You are right David, this plant won quality awards every year for a number of years in a row…best in the world in quality. It would cost many millions to retool the plant to build smaller cars. How about making it worth GMs while to do that? Lobby, lobby, lobby, convince them this is still “GM quality corner”. Beat out any other plant they think they want to use. They won’t offer another vehicle to us? Convince them they should. Americans don’t give up, fight for your jobs.

By The Big Paw

June 3, 2008 2:02 PM | Link to this

Look on the bright side!!! Anyone in the market for a Bass Boat or a Harley should be able to make a hell of a deal in the next few months!

By b102

June 3, 2008 2:00 PM | Link to this

The public is to blame always bad mouthing GM workers….we work had for our money it’s not our fault we are will to do the hard jobs and your sorry butt isn’t! Get off you high horse and take a look around because in a few years you all will be in the same boat! Without Gm the Miami valley will loose a lot of business. So to all you haters… I hope you all realize you just cursed yourselves. So may you all live a long and ignorat life!

By Just my Opinion

June 3, 2008 1:59 PM | Link to this

Playing the name game is not going to keep this plant open. It’s a sad day because these people have families too. Those who will be affected by this are too numerous to count, and for anyone to say they are happy about someone elses misfortune is just evil.I know of 2 many who have invested a lifetime to this place, and for this to be their fate, it just sad. A lot of people think it’s about giving up boats and cars, and houses, but the way things are now, it’s about keeping a roof

By b102

June 3, 2008 1:59 PM | Link to this

The public is to blame always bad mouthing GM workers….we work had for our money it’s not our fault we are will to do the hard jobs and your sorry butt isn’t! Get off you high horse and take a look around because in a few years you all will be in the same boat! Without Gm the Miami valley will loose a lot of business. So to all you haters… I hope you all realize you just cursed yourselves. So may you all live a long and ignorat life!

By b102

June 3, 2008 1:59 PM | Link to this

The public is to blame always bad mouthing GM workers….we work had for our money it’s not our fault we are will to do the hard jobs and your sorry butt isn’t! Get off you high horse and take a look around because in a few years you all will be in the same boat! Without Gm the Miami valley will loose a lot of business. So to all you haters… I hope you all realize you just cursed yourselves. So may you all live a long and ignorat life!

By Annette (Gudgell) Wilcox

June 3, 2008 1:57 PM | Link to this

MY comment is directed at “By America” and those who claim that Moraine Assembly Workers have never known whats it like to hold a “real job”…my father who died at the very young age of 58, put in 60-120 hrs a week in his 30 yrs of working there. He died before he could ever reap the benefits of his hard work. But, he was a different man than most these days. He was proud to be an American, proud to work his butt off for his company and his family, as well as his country. Get informed!

By larry

June 3, 2008 1:53 PM | Link to this

Thanks Dale. I bet you aren’t refinancing your home. You probably love it that the plant is closing so you can raise your commission. You are a nasty stinky vulture. Just sitting here waiting for something to die so you can consume it. Try again big boy.

By David

June 3, 2008 1:49 PM | Link to this

Looked up average teacher salary in the state of Ohio: in 2005 $48,692 GM union person $25 x 40 hours = $1,000 x 52 weeks = 52,000. What’s the big deal about unions then? Next tine you go to a PTO meeting ask the school principal what he or she is making. Better yet, ask the school superintendent what he/she makes.

By cletus

June 3, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this

Obama is going to set this all straight. Right after he abandons our troops overseas and dresses up in a turban. Dumb democrats. This is all your fault. why did you have to be so dumb and liberal. Now you can learn to speak spanish and Chinese. Dummies.

By Dale

June 3, 2008 1:43 PM | Link to this

GM WORKERS - I have been helping people refinance their homes to make sure you will be able to afford your monthly payments once the plant has closed. Email me today for a no obligation mortgage quote: dale.winters@53.com

By boner

June 3, 2008 1:43 PM | Link to this

This is not cool. If I worked at Moraine right now I would need a new pair of underwear. Since I don’t work at Moraine I will likely just keep the pair on that I am wearing…

By John

June 3, 2008 1:40 PM | Link to this

The problem is that Dayton never understood what was happening to the manufacturing industry beginning in the mid-80’s. Everyone was so focused on maintaining Dayton as a manufacturing town that we ignored other vital sectors such as aerospace and emerging technologies. The lack of focus on education now means that the blue-collar class are stuck to being low-paid service industry workers. Sorry about your luck, but if you think education is expensive, try unemployment.

By The Big Paw

June 3, 2008 1:38 PM | Link to this

So what will happen to all the poor GMers???? Maybe we can get the Demo-can’ts to set up a reservation at the old Moraine Plant site for them. Provide a NASCAR track and cheap beer and let them die a natural death.

By mike

June 3, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this

STU

Please, you’re crazy to think that GM workers (unions) aren’t to blame, and management and gov’t policies are to blame!

Ever heard of “legacy costs”?

Look it up and then tell me it’s not the unions!

By DaytonResident

June 3, 2008 1:34 PM | Link to this

Hey KIA Owner. I was thinking the same thing about GM Owner. There are two Koreas. I guess he doesn’t understand the North from the South. He blames someone for something he knows nothing about. What an idiot!

By GM Owner

June 3, 2008 1:31 PM | Link to this

Thank you Supplier of GM. Some people don’t realize that other jobs are created by GM and now they will be lost too. Support your neighbor, by American!

By Stu

June 3, 2008 1:31 PM | Link to this

The unions didn’t cause this problem. GM management and terrible government policies did. GM was dismissing hybrid technology on a few years ago while the Japanese were perfecting it. When prices started to rise, whose cars were selling? Not the 8 mile per gallon SUV.

Years of useless federal policies are also to blame. We put a man on the moon 40 years ago, but most cars are getting almost the same gas mileage as they were in the 70s. It’s time this nation woke up. No more big trucks and cars.

By AVGJOE

June 3, 2008 1:24 PM | Link to this

Chuck, First you say the Meyer water fuel cell is an impossibility, then you say it is a fraud. Your responses are straight from the taliban book of proverbs. You are the kind of domestic terrorist that will stop at nothing to quell possibilites and potential. What is your motivation? Are you invested in high oil prices? Please contact Senator Voinovich and inquire as to what the US Department of Renewable Energy recently had to say about the disruptive technology, water as fuel for cars.

By Supplier of GM

June 3, 2008 1:23 PM | Link to this

You know that by GM closing the plant in Moraine it also effects the suppliers of GM. So all you GM haters out there need to think about other people. I have worked for a supplier for 18 years and to hear that I will be lossing my job also.So all you people who are glad that GM will be closing, your are also glad for the other who are losing their job because of it.I sure hope none of your family members work at these places so they don’t see how happy you are about them lossing their jobs also.

By Paul

June 3, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this

The seeds of these changes can be found in the regulations (EPA, OSHA, taxes, etc.) written over the past 40 years. The impacts of the regulations have prevented the development of affordable energy and a business friendy environment. We are now seeing the effects of these regulations. Unfortunately it appears that the regulators cannot see their mistakes of the past. They insist on writting regulations that (Warner/Lieberman bill)continue to make the USA uncompetitive in the world markets.

By GM Owner

June 3, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this

Thanks Kia owner good to know you can read, I don’t like supporting North or South Korea, or China or Japan…. I like supporting my country NOT yours.

By mike

June 3, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this

WHATEVER

You obviously don’t know your political history, the republicans have not had control of congress the last 20 years. Republicans gained an absolute majority in 1995. This was fter 40 years of Liberal, Democrats in charge!

Go back and do your homework before you spout off some foolish comments!

By Bruce

June 3, 2008 1:19 PM | Link to this

Does anyone that works at this plant know if the recent retirement offer will open back up for these plants that are closing? BTW, GM workers do not come in “hung-over” “late” etc…we would lose our jobs!

By Bob540

June 3, 2008 1:15 PM | Link to this

SURELY the execs at GM could foresee that the market was moving away from gas-guzzlers and toward fuel economy. So, why would they stubbornly insist on making more SUVs and trucks? Why would they only put hybrid technology on gas-guzzling vehicles (and not smaller cars, as Japan has done)? Answer: With their high labor/retiree costs, the execs knew they could not cover that with the modest profit margins of small cars. So, they tried to keep a doomed ship afloat. Sadly, that day is here.

By a true american

June 3, 2008 1:10 PM | Link to this

i am a moraine assembly employee and have 7 years in. Gm was a great job and for all u stupid people bad mouthing the plant closing u are just jealous u didnt have a job there. For everyone to sit here and say stupid remarks is retarted. moraine assembly had 103 different suppliers in the commuity to supply us parts. no they will be laid off this is alot bigger than 2700 workers at the moraine plant. when someone from your family is affected by this then u will see. good luck IUE workers.

By Willuz

June 3, 2008 1:01 PM | Link to this

High oil prices are not a Bush conspiracy. It is caused by increased demand, and until we use less oil the price will not fall. If we switch to fuel efficient vehicles demand and price will both decrease.

• Use less gas
• Switch the Dayton GM plant to fuel efficient vehicles that are marketable

The solution has absolutely nothing to do with all the anti-Bush babble. If anything the high gas prices have improved the environment since people are using less gas resulting in lower CO2 emissions

By whatever

June 3, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this

Quoted from PEACEMOM62: “EXCELLENT and TRUTHFUL comments Truthteller !!…what “have” the Democratic congress , Pelosi and Reid done since 2006???….BUSH doesn’t set policies…and pass laws….IT”S YOUR WONDERFUL “DO NOTHING” CONGRESS and their leaders!!!!”

My response: You’re right and who has been in charge of Congress for most of the last 20 years? The Republicans of course. They have set most of the policies that are causing our current problems.

By Kia Owner

June 3, 2008 12:56 PM | Link to this

Hey, GM Owner. There are two Koreas. God, you’re smart.

By whatever

June 3, 2008 12:56 PM | Link to this

By PEACEMOM62

June 3, 2008 10:38 AM | Link to this

EXCELLENT and TRUTHFUL comments Truthteller !!…what “have” the Democratic congress , Pelosi and Reid done since 2006???….BUSH doesn’t set policies…and pass laws….IT”S YOUR WONDERFUL “DO NOTHING” CONGRESS and their leaders!!!!

You’re right and who has been in charge of Congress for most of the last 20 years? The Republicans of course. They have set most of the policies that are causing our current problems.

By internet

June 3, 2008 12:55 PM | Link to this

To Teacher,

For your FYI Al Gore NEVER and I say NEVER said that he invented the internet. Now if you did a small amount of research you would know that he helped put a DARPA program in place with legislature. The DARPA program was ARPA net. It was run through the military. So yes, Al Gore helped start the internet not invented it like many republican followers love to say so that they sound superior.

By 4winston7

June 3, 2008 12:55 PM | Link to this

To PEACEMOM62 & others …

Our president, regardles of who he is or with which party he is affiliated, DOES have the right to “veto” bills sent to him. Likewise, he is “usually” biased to the party with which he is affiliated; that is, those who helped him get elected. To say he doesn’t set policy or pass bills is ignorance. In fact, if a president doesn’t have those “powers,” why do we even have one? Congress can run the country.

By edu guy

June 3, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this

I say to all the GM people and their families - you need to check out Dave Ramsey. He changed our lives a few years ago and gave us the game plan we needed to have “financial peace” He has classes all over the area and on his website http://www.daveramsey.com which will help you to live a better financial life. Good luck and please prosper in your new found careers as you begin your new journey…

By Carrie

June 3, 2008 12:49 PM | Link to this

They had the luxury of talking on their cellphones while making trucks on the assembly line. Its hard enough to drive a truck while talking on the cellphone, let alone, MAKING a truck while on the cellphone

By whatever

June 3, 2008 12:48 PM | Link to this

truthteller:If you think all of this just happened in the last year you’re either short sighted or just plain misinformed! The fact is it takes years for stuff like the gas crisis and housing market crisis to be set up. Both parties are to blame for their lack of meaningful accomplishment! Now we will pay the price for their arrogance, and their ignorance. Those who refuse to be proactive are doomed to be reactive, and we are a reactive people!

By Klopdx

June 3, 2008 12:48 PM | Link to this

Typical. Blame game. Blame everyone one and every party, but don’t take a look in the mirror.

Our ENTIRE economy is based on a finite resource. One which we import a majority of. The TRUTH is oil is past Peak (Google Peak Oil) and we are all screwed. All of us.

Good luck fools.

By Theresa

June 3, 2008 12:48 PM | Link to this

It is sad and disheartening for the employees and their families. One thing I don’t understand is why can’t the plant be used for the ‘new line’ of GM cars they are pursuing? Here is a plant that was converted from Frigidaire line of goods to GM trucks. Bottom line it is still an automobile plant. Why can’t GM use this one instead of building a new one somewhere else in Ohio?

By Willuz

June 3, 2008 12:48 PM | Link to this

I grew up in Dayton but left when I realized the auto industry was unable to adapt and would bring the city down with it. GM cannot change the Dayton plant to hybrid trucks because the unions prevent them from changing anything without a fight. If you’re lucky, Toyota will buy the plant and build something marketable instead of gas guzzlers.

The issue with the American auto industry is the lack of adaptation to a changing market.

By James

June 3, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this

Now that GM is going to close the plant ,maybe the Coke dealers will have to rethink their market Plan. Stand by for major problems from the west side drug gangs all ready with 18 dead since 01/08. a shame for a great town that Dayton was at one time.

By carrie bradshaw

June 3, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this

They had the luxury of talking on their cellphones while making trucks on the assembly line. Its hard enough to drive a truck while talking on the cellphone, let alone MAKING a truck while on the cellphone

By K-man

June 3, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this

In 1999, my company moved from Kettering to Detroit area and the US auto industry was fat and happy. I remember the infamous quote of a auto VP saying “We’re building SUV’s because thats all the public wants to buy”. Looks like a repeat of the late 60’s muscle car craze before the 70’s gas crisis. Our government, Republicans and Democrats, gave the auto industry a free pass and did not push fleet mileage improvements. Short sighted big business/governement - same causes as the mortgage debacle

By Auto-employed

June 3, 2008 12:46 PM | Link to this

cont. but since gas is where it is at, eveyrone wants to downsize and get a more fuel efficient car. The real question is HOW MUCH PROFIT do the Oil co.s need to make? Qtr after Qtr they post record profits of over 700 BILLION dollars. That tells me that gas could be half the cost what it is now and they would still profit over $300 BILLION Dollars. WAKE UP AMERICA……something needs to be done. We need to STAND together and say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

By D H Johnson

June 3, 2008 12:42 PM | Link to this

Its just this simple. Overpriced automobiles and escalated gasoline costs and George Bushs economic cleansing campaign. Who or what can stand up to that.

By George

June 3, 2008 12:41 PM | Link to this

The only thing to do now is to try to get a new vehicle to put on the product line to produce at the plant.We hate change but a lot of it is going to be happening.Are city is on a revamping stage. As we continue to build new schools in are neighborhoods,build better highways, an redo Downtown Dayton more people and businesses will be attracted to come to Dayton.I put it like this we Dayton are positioning are self to grow better than the fun of are older days.Are future is bright.

By America

June 3, 2008 12:41 PM | Link to this

The unions have ruined America! I’m so happy GM is closing in Dayton!! Hopefully, these GMers will finally get a real job and work for once!!!

By Auto-employed

June 3, 2008 12:40 PM | Link to this

This is for all the idiots on this blog trying to blame the union for the plant closing. It has NOTHING at all to do with the union. The WHOLE REASON that the plants are affected and are targeted for closing is the EXTREMELY HIGH COST of gasoline. If gas was still at $1.15 a gallon (where the hell it should be), these plants would be thriving and working overtime out the ying-yang to supply America with the vehicles they want.

By GM Owner

June 3, 2008 12:40 PM | Link to this

I put blame on anyone out there who drives a KIA or HYUNDAI. Really people, KOREAN??!!! Korea would LOVE to blow us off the map, WHY give them money?! Oh because you’re cheap! My GM car has 92,000 miles on it and running strong, let me know if one of these pieces of junk make it that far. God Bless the GM workers and families!

By not giving up

June 3, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this

Christian-Daytonians: We don’t have to sit and watch while our area deteriorates around us, but it will if we don’t take a stand for it in prayer! Living Word Church in Vandalia, and I’m sure others, are taking a stand to bring the God’s blessing back to our area. You should join the fight.

By Sadden for GM Employees

June 3, 2008 12:30 PM | Link to this

I’m not going to be disrespectful as many of people have been on this blog. I’m not going to act like I know everything and know who to blame like many people have been on this blog. None of them have the right answers,(if they did then they will be big time CEO’s)! I would like to let all the GM employees and their family members know that I’m sorry and that you all are in my prayers. Regardless of what any of these FOOLS are saying on this blog, none of them are living in your shoes. God Bless

By Bill

June 3, 2008 12:30 PM | Link to this

Democratic “Do-nothing Congress was the Republican’s Fault!!!

Many comments in this thread put blame on the new Democratic leadership of Congress, saying that they did nothing. Well, you need to realize that the reason why that has happened is that the Republican MINORITY blocked almost anything good the Democrats tried to do. The “do-nothing” Congress is the fault of the Republican minority,

By KIM

June 3, 2008 12:28 PM | Link to this

Perhaps the reason why people think all GM workers are drunks is because the only business they ever interview on the news about being affected is….A BAR

By Sue

June 3, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this

This is just one more piece of bad news for this city. And with the posibility of the DHL/UPS deal and the loss of 6,000 jobs there, it’s just a matter of time before the “rolling tumbleweeds” blow through. I don’t know how the current Administration think’s this country is going to recover economically if they continue to give breaks to companies sending jobs overseas and support big oil company profits. It’s time to think about the survival of the American people!

By Happy

June 3, 2008 12:22 PM | Link to this

I am happy that the Moraine Plant is closing. The greed of the Union is the main reason. People going to work, hung-over, late, and no ambition. It was just a job and the worker did nothing more than they had to. We have no one except ourselves to blame except ourselves.

By B-rad

June 3, 2008 12:19 PM | Link to this

No big surprise-it was just a matter of time. GM Union workers got fat and happy during their heday, but no one (GM management OR the Union) planned for the future even when the warning signs were clearly evident. The city of Dayton is clearly dead. last one out turn out the lights. All those Democrats you elected into office didn’t do a thing to stop this. Dayton is certainly worse off with no hope for the future. Vote for Obama and the rest of the city will close and go out of business!!

By idiotgmamericans

June 3, 2008 12:19 PM | Link to this

Ok you retard republican hillbillies, NAFTA was passed by a REPUBLICAN CONGRESS with ol NEWT and the boys…rednecks, second, why don’t you GM “workers,” go get an education and do something with your lives instead of shooting screws. A freaking monkey could shoot screws. All I have to say is NAH NAH NAH NA NAH NAH NA NAH say heyyyy heyyyyy goooodddbbbyyyeeee…..to rednecks and hillbillies maybe they will move out of here and into the country where they belong. Dayton will be fine GM get out!

By Dave

June 3, 2008 12:18 PM | Link to this

you guys have been over payed for way too long ! the free ride is over , get out and work like the rest of us now !!

By The Big Paw

June 3, 2008 12:17 PM | Link to this

Hey! All you GMers!!!! You could drive your gas-guzzling junkers up to Lordstown and build little GM junk-mobiles! What a nice commute for you-all!

By KBS

June 3, 2008 12:12 PM | Link to this

They lasted this long?? I co-oped back in 1990 and once I saw “GM IS JUNK BUILT BY JUNKIES” written on the bathroom walls! Real pride in workforce there!

By M

June 3, 2008 12:12 PM | Link to this

It’s all a money game, how to break the unions. This is the first straw, raise gas to an incredible amount per gallon and watch GM, Ford, and Chrystler fall. Then, gas will go lower, the jobs will come back and they will be the same as Toyota and Honda plants, $15 to $18 an hours for high school education. Who will be the new owners, Wall Street. Bottom line, get an education, nobody in a corporation with a high school degree should be making more than a college graduate.

By Chuck

June 3, 2008 12:09 PM | Link to this

AVGJOE: The plans are right there to be had. DARPA is offering $10 million for a 100 mpg car. You should totally build one if it works so well. You know why no one has used meyer’s FRAUD idea, because it doesnt work. ITS A TRICK TO GET DUMB PEOPLE TO COUGH UP MONEY

By $4.00/gal

June 3, 2008 12:02 PM | Link to this

Join A Real Change Campaign to Lower Your Gas Prices. Sign petition here- http://www.americansolutions.com/actioncenter/petitions/?Guid=54ec6e43-75a8-445b-aa7b-346a1e096659

By BOB

June 3, 2008 12:01 PM | Link to this

Unions and their constant bitching ruined American car companies! Plain and simple!

By bill

June 3, 2008 12:01 PM | Link to this

Kathy,

Know you know what happens when you ASSUME.

By gas man

June 3, 2008 12:00 PM | Link to this

Another plant closing in our country. But according to comedian Rush Limbush & Sean Insanity, our economy is in fine shape. Our administration will even report a job increase next month. At least Bush will be happily retired and drawing a nice pension for all his hard work.

By The Big Paw

June 3, 2008 11:59 AM | Link to this

What a great place for Laser-tag or paint-ball games!!! Maybe some entrepreneur will buy the old place and turn it into a bar and paint-ball extravaganza! They could employee some old GMers as targets!

By Truth

June 3, 2008 11:59 AM | Link to this

Thank you union members for chasing jobs out of the country with your excessive high wage demands.

By Scott

June 3, 2008 11:57 AM | Link to this

The problem is two-fold. The “American Made” car companies are poorly run organizations from the top executives to the assembly workers.

Second, unions have destroyed American industry. To pay someone with a high school education $80,000 / year to build a car is ludicris. While GM shuts down plants, Toyota and Honda are building plants in the US and employing US workers. GM and Ford need to wake up and eliminate the unions before the “American Made” cars are made in Mexico!!

By Kathy

June 3, 2008 11:57 AM | Link to this

BILL-

I have my master’s degree, I’m not in high school. Thanks for thinking of me as so young. Flattered! You are correct, you did not say everyone you said people who work at GM. Sorry for taking the liberty in assuming you meant everyone.

By karon

June 3, 2008 11:55 AM | Link to this

It is 21st century it is time for light rail passenger trains , this will create thousands of new jobs for the southwest region of Ohio!

By Possitive

June 3, 2008 11:54 AM | Link to this

I don’t think the plant gonna close. GM want to bring in low pay worker to save them money. I believe this is a big scare to get our high paying people out of the plant so they can have 2 years to come up with a new product and bring in low paying people. Our contract been up since last October. Our Union knew this was gonna happen but they didn’t have the gust to tell us. God bless our hard workers at GM in Moraine.

By bill

June 3, 2008 11:53 AM | Link to this

Kathy,

Where in my post did I say “EVERYONE”??? I said if people show up drunk/hungover. Geez, maybe you should get a job at GM, they hire high school graduates. Oh, I forgot, GM is done. Drunk!

By Dan

June 3, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this

I am tired of hearing the individuals commenting on how bad a product GM manufactures due to the union worker at US plants. People get your facts straight. Very few vehicles are made in the US by union workers. Most GM vehicles are made in overseas plants due to the NAFTA Treaty signed by Clinton. What do you expect when you pay a foreign worker dirt wages and sell a vehicle for $25K-$40K. GM corporate execs are cleaning up and making the big bucks. Dayton must get educated and technical.

By Rob

June 3, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this

It is a sad day in Dayton. Maybe these comments are true, maybe their not, but quality and wages have nothing to do with this closing. Its all about gas prices. Moraine makes a product nobody wants right now. People are only buying cars with the highest gas mileage. We saw this in 1978. My dad sold his station wagon and bought a chevette, which we hated. When gas prices got better he got a bigger car.If you want to save their jobs push Washington to get fuel prices down again!

By Former T Bolt

June 3, 2008 11:50 AM | Link to this

Nothing of any significance is made in the US these days. At the end of the day we are all to blame (Republicans, Democrats, Independents, Christians, Muslims, Wal Mart etc). The pursuit of cheap plastic crap is killing our country and is shifting our wealth to the Middle East and China. Americans have maxed out on credit for junk. At least will still have food. I live in Wisconsin and we just lost our GM plant in Janesville today as well. Best of luck Dayton

By The Big Paw

June 3, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this

The GM Factory Blues

Well my friends, I see it’s time to resurrect an old favorite as the new and improved ‘The GM Factory Blues’, sung to the tune of that grand classic by the Late Great Mr. J. Cash, ‘The Folsom Prison Blues’.

I hear those GM’ers Whining They’re Whining up a storm They’re standing by their factory Looking so lost and so forlorn

Cause the factory, she’s a closing They drove her into the ground Now those GM’ers are a moaning God what an awful sound

In the Golden Age of Unions A young apprentice came to town He sold his soul to the GM clan Now he’s looking like a clown.

And as the years rolled on by him His brain grew numb and lame Now when he rants about the union, His children hang their heads in shame

Well now Summer’s almost on us Can a strike be far behind? They’ll be sweating off that union fat On that hot old picket line

And as I cruise on by them I may stop and stare As those GM’ers keep on panting ‘Man this just ain’t fair’.

Well now the parking lots are all empty The lines are all shut down Anyone with any sense Has already left town

But the GM’ers just don’t get it They just don’t understand You can’t make gas guzzling junkers, And compete with Japan

Now the GM’ers sit by their Chevys In their run down trailer parks And look into their future,
Hopeless, cold and dark

And as the rest of us adapt The GM’ers just fade away Technology replaced them, For a better day

So that’s the story of the GM’ers A sad tale, but it’s true. So let it be a lesson Both to me and to you

Don’t you turn into a GM’er Don’t shame your Ma and Paw Another obsolete GM’er’s A burden to us all.

By Kathy

June 3, 2008 11:43 AM | Link to this

Bill, I’m sorry for your rude comments. EVERYONE is a HUGE generalization you are making. My father works there and he is not a drunk and has NEVER went to work with even a sip of alcohol on his breath. I am very saddened to read what you wrote! I am crushed for the news my father received today.

By Bill

June 3, 2008 11:35 AM | Link to this

The truth is that the people who work at GM are a bunch of hillbillys, country music listining, drunks.

That is why the quality of these vehicles are so poor. When you show up to work sober, you do a great job. However, you show up to work drunk and/or hungover, your productivity goes down the tubes.

People say that Dayton need to sober up. No, the GM workers need to sober up!

By Kathy

June 3, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this

My saddness comes thinking of the employees at the plant. Some people have worked there their entire career and are toward the end, but not close enough or financially ready to retire. What do they do? The issue GM needs to look into is R-E-S-P-E-C-T. I have heard horror stories about how they “tell” employees they no longer need their services. I truly hope what I have heard is untrue. How could they treat their own in this manner?

By Union Scourage

June 3, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this

Blame the unions for too many strikes and overinflated wages. I become physically ill when I talk to union friends who laugh at the wages they make and what little work they do.

Unions once were a benefit to the working man in bringing safety and fair wages to the American worker. They now have become greedy and are finally getting what comes to them.

Look at the foreign auto makers….better product, no unions. It is a matter of pride with those workers.

By Mark

June 3, 2008 11:33 AM | Link to this

I used to have close friends who worked at this plant. They used to brag about how they could get away with murder and not do their jobs correctly because the union wouldn’t allow GM to discipline them. The joke was they worked for “Generous Motors”. Who is the joke on now?

By JHC

June 3, 2008 11:33 AM | Link to this

This is a wake-up call. If we don’t get our crap together, India and China will EAT OUR LUNCH! The only way to go is GREEN. That’s not a moral observation, that’s the market. Even if the price of gas retreats and people continue to purchase and drive gas guzzler’s - we’re sunk - this ain’t your daddy’s economy. Go GREEN or get out of the way! Gas guzzlers are destroying our economy and our planet.

By billis

June 3, 2008 11:29 AM | Link to this

Regardless of whos fault it is, or why this happened, I wish you all the best. it is tough to have little mouths at the table when you are getting laid off. For all you guys that didn’t take the buyout you will probably have a very hard time. Dayton will continue to become a festering stinkhole and puss filled sore with crime and stink abounding everywhere as these large companies leave.

By Mike

June 3, 2008 11:26 AM | Link to this

This may be the first in 35 years of Dayton area plant closings that can’t be blamed on the unreasonable demands of organized labor. I suspect that no amount of union concessions could have saved this plant.

By UrbanDweller

June 3, 2008 11:26 AM | Link to this

Sorry folks, but you can’t pay people with no more than a high school degree $15+/hr (and it use to be high $20s/hr) to make a car that sells for an average of $30 - 40K. Obscenely overpaid assembly line workers, thanks to the union, are to blame for the decline of the American auto industry.

By Benjamin Mann

June 3, 2008 11:25 AM | Link to this

Hey morons lest we forget during Clinton’s presidency fuel cost were down, housing market was up and everybody had jobs. So this is Bush’s fault!!! When we started production on these vehicles we couldn’t keep up with the demand!

By Boog

June 3, 2008 11:22 AM | Link to this

The only constant, is constant change. Keep-up, or get out of the way.

By daytonlifer

June 3, 2008 11:21 AM | Link to this

Bottom line-Build a QUALITY product and people will FLOCK to buy it! Attempt to guilt them into “BUYING AMERICAN” to support their neighbors and they’ll be disappointed in their purchase every time. I recently bought a Malibu (1st american car-my son calls it the “rattle and squeakmobile”) and after just 2 months it will definitely be my LAST american auto purchase. I will NEVER “BUY AMERICAN” again! Sorry Dayton neighbors.

By JIM Z

June 3, 2008 11:21 AM | Link to this

IN 1970 Norm Sandvoss told me I would see the Day the unions would bust this country. He said I think that day is getting closer. I guess he was right, it has arrived…

By papertrucker

June 3, 2008 11:19 AM | Link to this

another nail driven into the Dayton coffen

By doc0875

June 3, 2008 11:18 AM | Link to this

I agree, buy American (Toyota, like I did). GM products are not anymore “american made” than Toyota, Honda, etc anymore … that is a marketing game.

By P David

June 3, 2008 11:18 AM | Link to this

It’s a shame what has happened.There is more than enough blame to go around. NAFTA…Management….Unions….Shareholder Greed….Government. We need to focus on a way to fix these problems by making the USA a haven for business in general and manufacturing, specifically. Please take a serious look at a way to fix these and many other problems we are or will be facing. The way is through FairTax.Org. Most politicians resent it because they don’t understand or won’t accept changes.

By I used to work there

June 3, 2008 11:17 AM | Link to this

Awhile ago, people laughed at me when I told them back in 2003 that Moraine was going to close, they called me a prophet and a few other choice words. Are you still laughing now?

So whats’ a man or woman gonna do with no education and over 50? Its’ gonna be tough, but go back to school or try local or state jobs. Sad to hear the news, wish you all the best. It’s rough out here.

By David

June 3, 2008 11:16 AM | Link to this

I DON’T GET IT. I THOUGHT THIS PLANT WON AWARDS EVERY YEAR FOR MAKING THE BEST VEHICLES. DOESN’T THAT COUNT FOR ANYTHING? I WOULD MUCH RATHER HAVE A WELL BUILT VEHICLE THAT DOESN’T GET THE BEST GAS MILEAGE THAN ONE THAT GETS 30 MPG AND FALLS A PART IN FEW YEARS.

By Froto

June 3, 2008 11:14 AM | Link to this

S.O.S., just another day. We have seen it coming for a long time. When are we going to do something? They are protesting all over this world while we let America burn. It is time to hit the streets my FRIENDS…

By Phil Man

June 3, 2008 11:12 AM | Link to this

I think it’s terrible, but I’m surprised it took this long. All the imports, then gas problems, anyone who thought the good times would keep on rolling was naive. Stuff changes. Something will pick up the loss, but maybe not here in Dayton.

By Donald

June 3, 2008 11:12 AM | Link to this

Steve W-

you hit the nail on the head! The Unions screwed us out of our jobs, not the exectutives. The unions are really messing up this country! Not Bush or Clinton…the Unions!!!!!

By AVGJOE

June 3, 2008 11:11 AM | Link to this

“Laws” are meant to be tested and many have been broken over the years. How about the conventional wisdom “law” that the world was flat? Remember the nay sayers who told the Wright Brothers that if man were meant to fly he would have wings. You are just another nay sayer who prefers to be a victim rather than a positive force for change. Name one scientific organization (non oil funded) that has attempted to replicate the Meyer disruptive technology of the water fuel cell device?

By BernankeHater

June 3, 2008 11:10 AM | Link to this

To TruthTeller:

Jan. 9, 2007: Avg. price of a gal. of gas: $2.18. Federal Reserve Interest Rates at 5.25% June 3, 2008: Avg. price of a gal. of gas: $3.98. Federal Reserve Interest Rates at 2.00%

Blame the Fed for that, not Congress. The run up in gas prices is a direct result of the devaluation of the US Dollar caused by artificially low interest rates set to try and prop up the housing bubble, which bailed out the tech bubble, and now has lead to a commodities bubble and painful inflation

By Jim Carver

June 3, 2008 11:09 AM | Link to this

Surprised? The is plenty of blame for ALL PARTIES…..When you think the goose will keep laying golden eggs reguardless what EVERYONE has done to her? It’s a result of NO COOPERATION on ALL SIDES….The Company is not your foe….The workers are not your foe too…..it has always been in EVERYONE BEST INTREST to work with each other….NOT oppose! The GREED is shared by ALL….Company and Workers.

By GM SALESMAN

June 3, 2008 11:04 AM | Link to this

I really feel bad for the GM employees that are loosing their job. Maybe GM should consider getting rid of a few of those over paid executives in Detroit and everywhere else. GM and makes it harder and harder every year sell their vehicles. For what they pay these idoits to sit around and come up with stupid rebates and marketing ideas that do not work, They could pay employees they are loosing.

By STEVE W.

June 3, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this

I AGREE WITH BUY USA, US UNION WORKERS WERE GETTING RAKED OVER THE COALS. UNION DUES WERE ALWAYS GOING UP WITH LESS BENEFITS.

I REALLY DON’T FEEL BAD THAT I’M LOSING MY JOB. I PLANNED FOR IT AND DIDN’T WASTE MY MONEY ON CARS, BOATS, AND BIG SCREEN TV’S. I SAVED!

I KNEW THIS TIME WAS COMING

By Kettering

June 3, 2008 11:02 AM | Link to this

Right. It’s Clinton’s fault. Nevermind that NAFTA, while passed under Clinton, was originally spearheaded by Bush. But the argument over NAFTA is beside the point; GM is not going to simply move production of SUV’s to Mexico and continue there—US demand is shifting away from gas guzzlers, and they’re shifting production. Moraine must adapt or be rendered obsolete.

By Kettering

June 3, 2008 11:02 AM | Link to this

Right. It’s Clinton’s fault. Nevermind that NAFTA, while passed under Clinton, was originally spearheaded by Bush. But the argument over NAFTA is beside the point; GM is not going to simply move production of SUV’s to Mexico and continue there—US demand is shifting away from gas guzzlers, and they’re shifting production. Moraine must adapt or be rendered obsolete.

By Rob

June 3, 2008 11:01 AM | Link to this

{I understand what has happened is bs but i feel we need to come up with plan to keep the jobs in dayton and complaining isnt going to do that. GM wants to build more cars and hybrids now so why cant dayton/moraine decide to go to gm and say since you cut our jobs and we have this huge plant cant we give you a tax break over so many years if you garuntee these 2400 plus jobs lets fight to keep dayton around instead of throwing our hands up in the air and saying forget it

By bob

June 3, 2008 11:00 AM | Link to this

I like cheese. Cheese likes me.

By Aaron

June 3, 2008 11:00 AM | Link to this

This is incredibly sad. I grew up in Dayton as did many of the other posters here. I know many people who’s livelihoods were directly or indirectly based on GM. It scares me for the city. A city that has been dieing from the center out for as long as I can remember.

This can be put squarely on the shoulders of the GM management and the union leaders. Their shortsightedness and greed are effectively ruining peoples lives. I wish the best for all of the families involved.

By Chuck

June 3, 2008 11:00 AM | Link to this

Dayton failed to learn the lesson long ago (Delco, Frigidaire, Chysler) that manufacturing (at least manufacturing of traditional products and product lines) was going out the window in this area and the U.S. This region by and large failed to migrate towards high-tech and get out of the past. Now Dayton - and the surrounding areas - are being forced to move to the future. Hopefully the leadership and innovation exists to move this area forward and hopefully, one day, prosper again.

By reggie98

June 3, 2008 11:00 AM | Link to this

Jeff you are an idiot. Unemployment is lower now than it ever was during the Clinton years and until the housing bust the economy was doing better too (still growing too, even if slower). Jeff you are just a sheep following the left wing propoganda spewed from the liberal media. This plant closing is a result of the unions not allowing GM to adapt to NAFTA and globalization in general. Why are the Honda and Toyota plants in Ohio doing so well? No unions, “DUH!”

By T400

June 3, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this

By some of the comments posted I see why America is in the position it is in, because it seems a lot of American are very ignorant. We need these factory jobs and we need for these people to make a good amount of money. Some of you my think you are all hi and mighty with your white collar jobs but there is going to be no one with money to purchase your products or services in the Dayton area, so you may find yourself jobless pretty soon and you won’t be able to sell your house and move.

By Aaron

June 3, 2008 10:58 AM | Link to this

This is incredibly sad. I grew up in Dayton as did many of the other posters here. I know many people who’s livelihoods were directly or indirectly based on GM. It scares me for the city. A city that has been dieing from the center out for as long as I can remember.

This can be put squarely on the shoulders of the GM management and the union leaders. Their shortsightedness and greed are effectively ruining peoples lives. I wish the best for all of the families involved.

By Kettering

June 3, 2008 10:58 AM | Link to this

Right. It’s Clinton’s fault. Nevermind that NAFTA, while passed under Clinton, was originally spearheaded by Bush. But the argument over NAFTA is beside the point; GM is not going to simply move production of SUV’s to Mexico and continue there—US demand is shifting away from gas guzzlers, and they’re shifting production. Moraine must adapt or be rendered obsolete.

By Mobea

June 3, 2008 10:58 AM | Link to this

We sold America out. Every time we bought a foreign product because it was cheaper, not just cars, products like food too, we sold out America. Remember that some American owned that corner gas station at one time, and sold it to some foreigner and took the cash and put it in his pocket. We want cheaper products, but we want to have high paying jobs too. It’s over now. My prayers are with the families of the people who will lose their jobs. Try to start training for some technical job now.

By Moraine worker

June 3, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this

TO “PEACEMOM62” I told you I did’nt have an education and your dumb a** believed me. So you just sit at home and finish watching DR PHIL (10:53).

By Worry Not

June 3, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this

Don’t worry. When Obama takes charge he will not only reopen the GM plant but will also give all a huge raise and extra vacation time. Plus we will all be holding hands singing c*m-by-a and appreciating each other’s “diversity” while working. He will make everything better.

By hajballz

June 3, 2008 10:50 AM | Link to this

city of dayton, crash and burn It’s really sad.

By Hanz

June 3, 2008 10:50 AM | Link to this

Those dirty Democrats! They did this on purpose! They intentionally “fixed” the gas prices to close plants and p**s off everyone in middle america.. This is some great logic, folks. This president and his administration (many of whom have/had ties to the oil industry) ran this country with unequaled power for 7 years. You can’t expect congress to repair this mess (democrats or republicans). It’s as much our fault as it is our leaders’ - we need to save more and consume less.

By Mo

June 3, 2008 10:49 AM | Link to this

Okay…you can blame Clinton or any other politician that you want. But this is do to the greed of GM. Why in the world did they sell off and split and make all the DELPHI plants? Retire all of the white collar employees with over inflated retirements and not plan for the future? We have no one to blame but our self.

By teacher

June 3, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this

Jeff: Clinton rode the wave of the economy that was created by George Bush Sr. You probably believed Al Gore when he said he invented the internet. The sooner you quit believing what politicians say, the better off you will be.

By Cherie

June 3, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this

For 25 yrs, there has been no refineries built, no off shore drilling, no ANWAR. Thank you DEMs who BY THE WAY are the same people that your union reps endorsed every election. Yes, the Rep’s have not been as strong on energy independence, however, I blame the DEMS. Thanks union officials for the WRONG picks every single election. Maybe now you sheep will wake up and start calling your congressmen and demand oil independence. BTW GM is also at fault for being so arrogant.

By Vicki

June 3, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this

Shame on all of you out there with your negative comments! These people are your family, neighbors and friends with familys. Sure some were making good money for years but they were also spending it at your local businesses. This will not only affect GM workers but it will also affect them as well. My thoughts and prayers are with everyone that this is going to affect.

By PEACEMOM62

June 3, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this

my point is proven by MORAINE EMPLOYEE’s comments; waaahhh, waahhh…”I just bought a new house”…etc etc…= greed….NO JOB is forever silly….check out the grammar…”shameful”…

By Bill

June 3, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this

Wow-this actually didn’t come as a shock. Wish we made smaller vehicles and hybrids here. A strategic plan might have helped.

By Dave

June 3, 2008 10:40 AM | Link to this

WOW!! You can sure tell who has worked in a GM facility and who has not. Those of you that have not, you have no idea of the impact that an assembly job requires. To those of you that work at the Moraine plant, keep up the good work and maybe GM will reward you with a sellable product line. Thanks to the Dems who took control of the Congress two years ago and promised change……Boy do we have it. Gas is double!

By PEACEMOM62

June 3, 2008 10:38 AM | Link to this

EXCELLENT and TRUTHFUL comments Truthteller !!…what “have” the Democratic congress , Pelosi and Reid done since 2006???….BUSH doesn’t set policies…and pass laws….IT”S YOUR WONDERFUL “DO NOTHING” CONGRESS and their leaders!!!!

By Jeff

June 3, 2008 10:37 AM | Link to this

AND WHEN CLINTON WAS IN OFFICE EVERYONE HAD A JOB AND THE ECONOMY WAS BOOMING. DUH.

By Buy USA

June 3, 2008 10:35 AM | Link to this

People, remember that when you go and buy your Hondas, Toyota’s…ect.

You are really nieve if you buy the foreign cars thinking that the cars are made in the USA, when really the PROFITS go to the home country!

Also, the UNIONS are to blame. I don’t feel sorry for them, the UNIONS dug their own grave!

By Moraine employee

June 3, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this

I just bought a new house what am I gonna do? I just bought a new car too. They told me i will AWAYS have a job. I have no edjucation all I can do is shoet scrues. I guess my wife & girlfriend wiil leave me. I wish my wife would’ve took yhe buyout and me work still.IF YOU & YOUR SPOUSE WORK AT MORAINE 1 OF YALL SHOULD”VE TAKEN THE BUYOUT IN 06 STUPID!

By springborobeth

June 3, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this

I really think the blame lies with the upper management at GM for not having the wisdom and foresight to see this coming MUCH sooner and plan accordingly. I use to own a GMC Yukon, from 1996 until 2003. In 2003, I bought a much smaller more gas-efficient crossover SUV (Acura MDX - sorry GM folks). In 2003, you could see the tide shifting to more smaller SUV and cross-overs. Why did GM continue to have their blinders on and continue with their trucks and SUV production?????

By GM retiree

June 3, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this

I came to Dayton and hired on at GM more than 40 years ago. It was immediately evident that the waste and lack of productivity would bring the giant down some day. Who’s at fault? The union and GM walked down this path hand in hand with ridiculous demands by the union leadership and GM caving into bad contracts for short term benefits. Poor decisions by management and radical leadership in the union……….we share the blame equally.

By TruthTeller

June 3, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this

To Jeff:

Jan. 9, 2007: Democrats take control of both houses of Congress. Average price of a gallon of gas: $2.18.

June 3, 2008: Democrats have controlled both houses of Congress for one year, four months and 25 days. Average price of a gallon of gas: $3.98.

Name ANYTHING that Democrats Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid have done except flap their gums while they have been in control of both the House and Senate. Talk is cheap.

But somehow it’s all Bush and the Republicans’ fault.

By Rob

June 3, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this

Damn…Good Luck y’all…

By PEACEMOM62

June 3, 2008 10:27 AM | Link to this

ATTN; Jack,

I DO know what I’m talking about and YES I earn that wage because I paid my way thru college and have worked hard my whole adult life !! I do NOT sit on my butt, take 4 breaks a shift, get 2 weeks paid vacation after 1 year, beg for raises every 6 months , threaten to strike every year etc..I know for a fact many there at GM have not even finished highschool and making nurses income !! What did your union dues ever get you in the end?? waah, waaah..like I said,”what goes around”..

By truthdoctor

June 3, 2008 10:25 AM | Link to this

general motors built cars and trucks the american people wanted. gm tried to produce many varieties of energy efficient vehicles, but american folks did not buy them. this problem will only be solved by the buying public. gm will once again retool to satisfy the current trend. then when the crisis goes away the demand for american type cars will resume.

By handwaver

June 3, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this

GM is a short-sighted, rapacious, disposable worker kind of corporation- in short, a typical member of the corporate oligarchy that rules the U.S. and much of the industrialized world. In the U.S., they rule through their surrogates,the leaders, cronies and echo-chamber propagandists of the “conservative” i.e. republican worldview -(destroy the commons, the safety net of regulatory agencies, any oversight of congress or separation of powers, subvert the justice system.) McCain = more of the same

By Hanz

June 3, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this

What’s this game, Keyboard Commando? Where can I download it? These families aren’t going to need support from a DDN forum, they’ll need jobs.

By Dan

June 3, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this

Fellow Daytonians,

Do not dispair! Right now the immediate reaction is to blame and be in shock. Eventually that will get old and be replaced with courage, ingenuity and a willingness to work together for our future. We’ve had our backs against the wall before, whether WWII or the fuel crisis in the 70’s. Come on! Retrofitting vehicles with fuel cell devices is a step in the right direction, but we must strive to work toward a common goal.

Dayton’s greatness lies not only in its past.

By Chuck

June 3, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this

AVGJOE: Take off the tin foil hat. Water fuel cells are a joke, they do not work. You can’t get free energy from water. Meyer’s fuel cells start with water and end with water while supposedly producing energy. You can’t get more energy out of a process than you put in: it’s not just a good idea, its the law. The 1st law of thermodynamics.

By Miamisburg

June 3, 2008 10:21 AM | Link to this

Jeff, you moron, Clinton (a democrat)is the one who approved NAFTA.

By concerned

June 3, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this

I just took a minute from work to read some of the responses on here. You people make me sick. You sit on here and play keyboard commando but don’t think about the families and people that are going to be hurt by this. You point your finger and blame everyone but only a few of you show support. YOU SUCK!!!

By Henry

June 3, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this

What really surprises me is that no one has commented about the fact that the supposed “Brothers” of IUE798 totally sold their IUE801 brothers down the river back in the 90’s when it became obvious that all of those plants were a sinking ship and cutting their ties to Delphi Harrison Thermal would slow the sinking.

Some loyalty. If anyone wants to know what really happened and why those plants are really closing, it would be a little bit myopic to simply blame the product, gas prices or even NAFTA. All of those thing smay have contributed, but if the plants were efficient and the Union actually cared about putting in hard work, they would still be open and making newer more appealing models.

Hard truth, but facts are facts. Do a little research and find out where IUE 798 came from and how it came to be. Those guys absolutely sold out their supposed brothers and sisters of 801. The chickens have now come home to roost. I suppose they at least got an extra 5-6 years out of their underhaded deal. Of course that plant opened with crooked dealings (i.e. hiring back laid off workers out of line of seniority, etc…). Again, do your homework before you make wild accusations about NAFTA, reublicans, Democrats, gas prices, etc…, it goes much deeper.

By the way, want to bet on how many people actually did something productive (i.e Continuing Ed, College courses, etc…) with that extra 5-6 years?

By Xdelphi

June 3, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this

WOW, what a shame. i worked at Gm / Delphi for 8 years until i was forced to take the buyout. I really loved my good paying job, as do many others that are at moraine now.

I can only hope that something will happen, and GM will rethink this decision.

By Johnny Gonenow

June 3, 2008 10:14 AM | Link to this

Grew up in Dayton and left 15yrs ago. It was starting to get run down and nasty then, now with no money coming in at all, will only get worse. Even Sheriff Vore thinks its time to get out. Last one out of Ohio, turn off the lights.

By $140,000

June 3, 2008 10:14 AM | Link to this

GM will build the same suv for years, tell me the difference between a 2008 & a 2001? answer:little buttons ON THE INSIDE. What’s the difference between an ENVOY,TRAILblazer.SABB& ISUZU? answer: FRONT END & STICKER PRICE! These trucks are the same size and width,with MINOR adjustments. again A DOLLAR SHORT AND A DAY LATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Leaving Dayton

June 3, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this

This is sad, but not surprising. Are you kidding me? Blame NAFTA!? The only one’s to blame are the short-sighted (executive) fools at GM. Our overseas competitors were simply better prepared for this market- they’ve been dealing with inflated gas prices and strict environmental guidelines for decades. We (and Detroit) made this bed- now we have to sleep in it.

By Johnny Gonenow

June 3, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this

Grew up in Dayton and left 15yrs ago. It was starting to get run down and nasty then, now with no money coming in at all, will only get worse. Last one out of Ohio - turn off the lights.

By mz

June 3, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this

Dayton will soon be a ghost town complete with rolling tumbleweed through the streets.

The job market is going to be flooded with all these layoffs, I’m out of here. Have fun with a Detroit like city in the near future..

By Kevin

June 3, 2008 10:09 AM | Link to this

Last one out of Dayton Please turn out the lights!

By JACK

June 3, 2008 10:08 AM | Link to this

Peacemom2 said: “THEY’LL “NEVER” MAKE THEIR $25-30.00 AN HOUR….AND THEY “NEVER” SHOULD HAVE BEEN MAKING THAT KIND OF $$ TO BEGIN WITH.”

What? What do you mean they never should have been making that? Is that because YOU weren’t lucky enough to be making the kind of $$$, so nobody else should? Waaah. What a stupid comment you made.

By srp

June 3, 2008 10:07 AM | Link to this

I wish everyone at gm the very best, and hope those slandering these people realize this closing will affect the entire dayton area one way or another. To the gm employees: get your plan together now! God bless all of you and your families.

By Leaving Dayton (none to soon)

June 3, 2008 10:03 AM | Link to this

This is sad, but not surprising. Are you kidding me? Blame NAFTA!? The only one’s to blame are the short-sighted fools at GM. Our overseas competitors were simply better prepared for this market- they’ve been dealing with inflated gas prices and strict environmental guidelines for decades. We (and Detroit) made this bed- now we have to sleep in it.

By JACK

June 3, 2008 10:02 AM | Link to this

“Jobs Are Gone” said:

“At least it’s not Cleveland/Akron.”

Do you take such pride in your ignorant statements? Cleveland AND Akron are not the same. In fact, they are about 30 minutes apart. Akron is doing alot better than Cleveland is. It would help if you knew what you were talking about. Stick to what you might know.

By Spenser

June 3, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this

My opinion of the GM Moraine Assembly Plant is that they are closing it because of the sales of the SUV’S but, my question for GM is why couldn’t they start producing fuel-efficient cars, small cars, at the Moraine Assembly Plant instead of closing the plant, thousands of jobs will be lost in the 4 plants that GM is closing, most people doesn’t like GM brands anyways, I personally like Toyota, and Ford. The Dayton area will lose alot of money because of this.

By Common Cents

June 3, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this

$4.00 per gallon gas is a huge cancer on America, life as we have known it will never be the same. Auto product offerings will be dramatically different in 3 to 5 years as that’s how long it takes GM & Ford to responed to dramatic market changes. The multiplier effect of these lost jobs will affect everyone in the greater Dayton area. If you think the Moraine plant will stay open to 2010 … you’re not in reality, will be lucky to thru to 2009

Stay tuned for more financial doom & gloom.

By hi

June 3, 2008 9:57 AM | Link to this

http://www.ohioonlineauctions.com

By Jeff

June 3, 2008 9:51 AM | Link to this

It’s ALL about money. Thanks to the Republicans of the country. When a Republican is in office, this country goes to crap. And they get richer. The working man is screwed. You either get it, or you don’t.

By gmc_acadia_owner

June 3, 2008 9:50 AM | Link to this

Moraine makes the following vehicles: Chevrolet TrailBlazer, GMC Envoy, Isuzu Ascender and Saab 9-7X

Based on the vehicles listed above, I’m not surprised by this news at all.

By OhioTerp

June 3, 2008 9:49 AM | Link to this

I grew up in the Miami Valley and had relatives and the parents of many friends work at that plant (and Delphi). It’s sad to see the plant closed (always loved field trips there). I don’t blame politicians though. I blame the mgt and unions for not working together and modernizing their contracts effectively. Strip-out legacy costs (pensions, health-care, etc) and GM & Ford have nearly the same profit per vehicle as do the Japanese manufacturers (which emploe many in Ohio).

By AVGJOE

June 3, 2008 9:49 AM | Link to this

The Stanley Meyer patents are public property. You own them. March 15, 2007 they became public part of the publi domain. We need to bring the product to market now. Domestic terrorists will intimidate or otherwise dispose of anyone who attempts to bring this disruptive technology to light. Those Dayton patriots who came before us fought similar evil forces and we can do it again!

By $140,000

June 3, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this

What did the GM employee say to the BUYOUT employee? “Hi,welcome to White Castle would you like to try our new HUMBLE BURGER?” (the buyout employee had a plan when they left the plant UNLIKE those who puy their trust in the company & now the plant is closing,what are your options now?)

By Funny

June 3, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this

It is very amusing to see all these right-wing nutjobs posting here. Sure, it’s Bill Clinton’s fault. (Never mind that Bush has been in office for the past eight years.) Sure, it’s all because of the evil union. (In fact, the plant closing is really about GM’s reliance on gas guzzlers while foreign car-makers’ sales have been soaring.)

Who, in their right mind, would buy an SUV right now?

By bill

June 3, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this

SHAME on Generous Motors!

By Poup.

June 3, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this

The GM plant site would be a great location for a new Wal-Mart.

By Lovin' Dublin

June 3, 2008 9:45 AM | Link to this

Very sad. I think the people of Dayton had better pray the base re-alignment committee doesn’t take the same approach as GM. Game, Set Match…..

By PEACEMOM62

June 3, 2008 9:45 AM | Link to this

IF THESE FOLKS ARE SMART…THEY WILL GET THEIR GED’S NOW AND START LOOKING….THEY’LL “NEVER” MAKE THEIR $25-30.00 AN HOUR….AND THEY “NEVER” SHOULD HAVE BEEN MAKING THAT KIND OF $$ TO BEGIN WITH…., YES, THANKS CLINTON FOR NAFTA !!!!…” WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND…”

By Old Frigidare

June 3, 2008 9:43 AM | Link to this

…they forced their employees to purchase GM products for all those years, then cut their benefits, then close their plants..my grandfather, father, and brother, uncles and cousins work(ed) their collective *sses off and for what………oh, I know, so the executives could come back and cry saying,..’we just can’t afford to continue in this dieection. RESTRUCTURE MANAGEMENT…..I BET YOU’LL SAVE SOME MONEY THERE!!!!! sorry for all you poor saps that lost your jobs and wasted your lives there

By Joe

June 3, 2008 9:42 AM | Link to this

Well this is a result of our own energy policies that are lowlife politicians have done nothing about because of environmental wacko’s. Thanks wacko’s you are getting very close to destroying our economy and making sure no new manufacturers want to come into the US and set up shop because all of the restrictions and fees they have to pay along with the taxes…GOOD JOB WACKO’S

By Tom

June 3, 2008 9:40 AM | Link to this

Saw it coming over 20 years ago. It is a shame it took this long for the workers to see it coming. Hope they find jobs elsewhere. But you won’t find the cushon Union job you have had. Now you know why you where told to not count your overtime pay as normal pay.

By Jobs are gone

June 3, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this

The plant closing is all about the fact that no one wants to buy an SUV! It is GM’s fault for relying to heavily on big trucks and SUV’s.

The Dayton area will be fine. At least it’s not Cleveland/Akron.

By Bob

June 3, 2008 9:34 AM | Link to this

I grew up in Dayton in the 1950s and 1960s and was just back to my dear home town a week ago. Shocked and sad to hear the news. The people of Dayton are so good and friendly. DAYTON is a GREAT CITY and will continue to be. But this is shocking news. Dayton was a GM town with Delco, Inland, Frigidaire. I remember one was a traitor if they drove a Ford or Chrysler. Just not as good as a GM car. DAYTON, YOU WILL SURVIVE THIS. DAYTON IS GREAT and the PEOPLE ARE THE GREATEST. Bob / Minneapolis

By $140,000

June 3, 2008 9:34 AM | Link to this

Remember all the comments about the people who took the buyout? If not let me refresh your mind,”Why leave a job making $25+ an hour”,”they’ll be broke in less than a year”, “the moraine plant will NEVER close”, Alot of you guys complained and complained about the work we did, well now you will have TIME OFF to think about what you USE to make and have. by the way, do you have an option to take the buyout now? REMEMBER HIGH GAS+SLOW SALES+GREED+STRIKES= PLANT CLOSINGS

By AVGJOE

June 3, 2008 9:25 AM | Link to this

Has anyone considered reproducing the water fuel cell that the late Ohio inventor Stanley Meyer patented in the 1990’s?

Check it out:www.USPTO.gov Patent #5,293,857 It is in the publ

Since Ohio has a vast supply of fresh water, it is a perfect match, that is if the sovereign powers will allow it. The Meyer devise was reportedly a retrofit to existing cars that would allow you to put water into your existing fossil fuel tank. We may not have been ready for it in the 1990’s, but we are n

By floridabuckey

June 3, 2008 9:25 AM | Link to this

I so agree with Tom…Thank you Bill Clinton for selling America!! Can’t totally blame him….we have let our government officials do what they want….we just sit back and whine about things anymore….I remember the 70’s when we all stood up and let our opinions be known..not sit in front of a TV and gripe about it…we protested! It’s time again for everyone to do something about it….we may have a service based economy..but won’t last long if no one else is making any money!!

By wife of an EE @ moraine

June 3, 2008 9:24 AM | Link to this

Where is GM moving us now??

By Michael in Centerville

June 3, 2008 8:56 AM | Link to this

No shock… 2,500 jobs in Dayton, 6,000 jobs in Wilmington, where will it end? America will become a 3rd world country.

By A Houstonian

June 3, 2008 8:56 AM | Link to this

I grew up in Dayton,,,and am truly sorry to see the city suffer with the loss of more jobs,,,,,,,Good Luck!!!!

By concerned

June 3, 2008 8:56 AM | Link to this

I think this is a very sad state of affairs. I understand the demand for the product is not as great as it used to be but there are still those of us who love our gas guzzlers and will continue to drive them. I wish we could have gotten a new product to build but hopefully GM will do something to take care of the employees who have given years of their lives to serve them.

By Trish

June 3, 2008 8:54 AM | Link to this

Just bought my last GM vehicle. Bought GM to support our “GM Town”. Now that is no more. Going to check out the Hondas and Nissans later this year for my next vehicle.

Can’t believe they are going to close this plant. They gave up concessions two years ago and were promised a new product if these concessions passed. Guess GM just wanted the concessions without following through with a new product.

So sad for the Dayton area.

By Tim

June 3, 2008 8:53 AM | Link to this

Thanks Bill Clinton for NAFTA which started this whole mess. Yes the economic downturn goes all the way back to nafta. America you’ve been sold out. The new slogan will be “Dayton the city that was”

By Frank Rizzo

June 3, 2008 8:49 AM | Link to this

Does this really come as a surprise?

By frank penn

June 3, 2008 8:49 AM | Link to this

I will never buy a GM again, this plant has been the number 1 plant 6 years running, you cant cut everyones wages down and exspect them to be able to buy your product.

By Jon Shonebarger

June 3, 2008 8:47 AM | Link to this

What a tragic blow to the Miami Valley economy. As a baby boomer it is also very sad to see a part of our history fold up.

By David

June 3, 2008 8:46 AM | Link to this

I used to work at the plant and took a buyout in 2006 and my heart goes out to everyone who still works at the plant. I am at a loss for words. Your in my prayers.

By chucktonian

June 3, 2008 8:45 AM | Link to this

would the last person out of Day-uhn please turn out the light?